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C-Mac · 04-25-2008, 07:19 PM

Final mock draft: Plenty of movement down the stretch
Pat Kirwan By Pat Kirwan | NFL.com
Senior Analyst

There has already been some serious business this week. The first pick in the draft is locked up with Jake Long going to Miami. The Jared Allen trade to the Vikings has stirred up the first round and the Chiefs may be much more flexible about trading out of the No. 5 spot. I also believe they are getting a lot of calls about the 17th pick they received in the deal.

Lito Sheppard, Jeremy Shockey, Fabian Washington and a few other veterans could also stir up the selection process.

Recently, we witnessed a few players admitting to failed drug tests, another player having heart surgery and the last of the pro days reshaping the first day of the draft. As late as Thursday, teams were still flying around the country to get a final peak at candidates.

The wild card in the first round is still Boston College quarterback Matt Ryan, who could go at any number of spots in the opening round. There are varying opinions on Ryan and club executives in search of a quarterback can't waste much time comparing him to quarterbacks of years past. They need to ask themselves the question: If we pass on Ryan is there any guarantee we will get a player of equal or better talent next year? If he upgrades your team, it will be very hard to pass on him this year.

Atlanta, Kansas City, Baltimore and at least one other team have a very serious decision to make and it isn't going to be easy. History says the quarterback debate takes center stage in the hours leading up to the draft. Banking on Brian Brohm, Chad Henne or Joe Flacco being there in the second round is risky business. Not to mention, if those clubs believe Ryan is the best prospect than how can they wait?

I get the sense that a few of the decision makers on draft day are struggling with medical and/or off-the-field issues and for good reason. There's just too much money involved to take the risk anymore. Now that Long has taken a five-year deal from Miami instead of the traditional six-year deal at the top of the first round, the climate has changed dramatically.

A safe pick is going to trump a guy with great talent who may also present a risk. One-year wonders are another concern that seem to be on the mind of personnel directors with little time left before the draft. The Jake Long pick by the Dolphins sends a big message about how clubs look at the draft these days. Be safe and get the guy who has done it over time.

He has the Chiefs trading with Patriots and picking QB Matt Ryan at #9 and taking CB Michael Jenkins at #17.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

Star Players. How stupid can you be, have you ever played or coach football past pee wee or middle school? JW?

Last time I check Eli Manning isn't a "star" QB. He can be very good at times, but by no means a star. And what the hell are these "star" athletes going to do when every play there is a big DL or LB in their face 3 yards into the backfield because no one can block for them? Please explain this to me, you obviously know what your talking about.

Hate to point this out to you, jackfuck, but Michael Strahan, Plax Burress, Osi Umenyiora, and Antonio Pierce are stars.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 07:43 PM

I don't care how good your line is, if you don't have any stars you aren't gonna win.

You think the Pats or Colts would win without their cornerstone star QB's?

Every team has to have core star players that the teams are built around.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hate to point this out to you, jackfuck, but Michael Strahan, Plax Burress, Osi Umenyiora, and Antonio Pierce are stars.

Shh, they obviously don't count...

**DeezNutz** · 04-25-2008, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hate to point this out to you, jackfuck, but Michael Strahan, Plax Burress, Osi Umenyiora, and Antonio Pierce are stars.

Pierce?

Compared to our linebackers or the rest of the league?

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2008, 07:47 PM

This is a silly mock draft Ryan isn't going to fall to 9.

I would be very happy with Long, Gholsten, Dorsey, Ellis at #5 and an OL at 17.

philfree · 04-25-2008, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

Star Players. How stupid can you be, have you ever played or coach football past pee wee or middle school? JW?

Last time I check Eli Manning isn't a "star" QB. He can be very good at times, but by no means a star. And what the hell are these "star" athletes going to do when every play there is a big DL or LB in their face 3 yards into the backfield because no one can block for them? Please explain this to me, you obviously know what your talking about.

Eli played like a star during the playoffs so i'd say he became a star this past post season.

PhilFree

aturnis · 04-25-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Um those are 2 things the team needs if you haven't noticed..

I thought only idiots drafted based on need?

Mo-ron

Deberg_1990 · 04-25-2008, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiL stumpy

Last time I check Eli Manning isn't a "star" QB. He can be very good at times, but by no means a star. And what the hell are these "star" athletes going to do when every play there is a big DL or LB in their face 3 yards into the backfield because no one can block for them? Please explain this to me, you obviously know what your talking about.

Do you realize Eli made several huge plays down the stretch and in the playoffs for the Giants??? The Giants would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

blueballs · 04-25-2008, 07:54 PM

Who cares what this girl thinks

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hate to point this out to you, jackfuck, but Michael Strahan, Plax Burress, Osi Umenyiora, and Antonio Pierce are stars.

Yes, and two of them are linemen.

jackfuck

Brock · 04-25-2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Do you realize Eli made several huge plays down the stretch and in the playoffs for the Giants??? The Giants would not have won the Super Bowl without him.

Actually, any number of qbs could have done what he did.

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philfree

Eli played like a star during the playoffs so i'd say he became a star this past post season.

PhilFree

He was very inconsistent, I'm not saying he wont be, but he wasn't this season. Although he did play very well in the Playoffs.

Deberg_1990 · 04-25-2008, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Actually, any number of qbs could have done what he did.

Perhaps....but dont knock Eli for making the plays when he had to.

LiL stumppy · 04-25-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't care how good your line is, if you don't have any stars you aren't gonna win.

You think the Pats or Colts would win without their cornerstone star QB's?

Every team has to have core star players that the teams are built around.

Your saying we don't have any key players? LJ, Gonzo, DJ,Tamba, Bowe aren't players you can build a team around?

Brock · 04-25-2008, 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Perhaps....but dont knock Eli for making the plays when he had to.

I give him every bit of credit for not screwing it up. However, I would also put his odds pretty long on ever doing it again.

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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-752950	I don't care how good your line is, if you don't have any stars you aren't gonna win. You think the Pats or Colts would win without their cornerstone star QB's? Every team has to have core star players that the teams are built around.
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