Science is so racist

[markk]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Hence...

"We have to work double hard."
"Whites (in general) are born with silver spoons".

Thanks for your example. It's valid for all levels of emplyoment.

Let me rephrase that.

I think they had been TOLD that the white dude who interviewed them was going to be a racist, so they had to outperform everyone else just to be considered. Even though that was positively not the truth.

They came in with that misconception. But I like people who feel like they have something to prove. I hope everyone who ever works for me feels that way.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by markk

Let me rephrase that.

I think they had been TOLD that the white dude who interviewed them was going to be a racist, so they had to outperform everyone else just to be considered. Even though that was positively not the truth.

They came in with that misconception. But I like people who feel like they have something to prove. I hope everyone who ever works for me feels that way.

No they've been told to pull your freaking pants up... Stop wearing white t-shirts... speak clearly and don't use slang... smile... Say yes Don't shake your head or yeah or yup... wear a suit & tie... no baggy clothes... cut your hair... etc.

We're not taught that the hiring person is racists... we're taught that we have to bring our A game in order to impress (the white guy) so that he'll know we're not the thug but instead we're competent enough to do the job.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by wutamess

No they've been told to pull your freaking pants up... Stop wearing white t-shirts... speak clearly and don't use slang... smile... Say yes Don't shake your head or yeah or yup... wear a suit & tie... no baggy clothes... cut your hair... etc.

We're not taught that the hiring person is racists... we're taught that we have to bring our A game in order to impress (the white guy) so that he'll know we're not the thug but instead we're competent enough to do the job.

I think that would be good advice for any applicant, regardless of skin color.

Again, it seems like you are saying that blacks assume that whites are racist. Is that correct or not?

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by Donger

I think that would be good advice for any applicant, regardless of skin color.

Again, it seems like you are saying that blacks assume that whites are racist. Is that correct or not?

No... we're saying that they're more apt to hire within their own (which is somewhat human nature). I'd be more likely to hire someone that looks like me. For all of you saying you'd have no bias I tip my hat to you.

It's not that I'm racist... it's that the cultural boundaries aren't there. It makes sense (racist or not) which is why AA would curtail it.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by wutamess

No... we're saying that they're more apt to hire within their own (which is somewhat human nature). I'd be more likely to hire someone that looks like me. For all of you saying you'd have no bias I tip my hat to you.

It's not that I'm racist... it's that the cultural boundaries aren't there. It makes sense (racist or not) which is why AA would curtail it.

I can tell you with complete honesty that I've never hired on the basis of skin color.

I directly hired two African-American females, two Hispanics (man & woman), one white Jewish male, two Whites (male & female) and two Asian females during a 5-year stint and was involved in the hiring of many more non-whites via committee.

My criteria for hiring:

1. Is this person going to stay in the position for more than a year and is it worth my while to train them? Or is this job just a springboard?
2. Can this person handle the job (i.e. intelligence and aptitude)
3. Can this person handle stress?
4. Does this person have a passion for the job or is it just a "job"?


Once those things have been determined, I hire who will best fill the position, regardless of ethnicity.

[wutamess]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I can tell you with complete honesty that I've never hired on the basis of skin color.

I directly hired two African-American females, two Hispanics (man & woman), one white Jewish male, two Whites (male & female) and two Asian females during a 5-year stint and was involved in the hiring of many more non-whites via committee.

My criteria for hiring:

1. Is this person going to stay in the position for more than a year and is it worth my while to train them? Or is this job just a springboard?
2. Can this person handle the job (i.e. intelligence and aptitude)
3. Can this person handle stress?
4. Does this person have a passion for the job or is it just a "job"?


Once those things have been determined, I hire who will best fill the position, regardless of ethnicity.

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

[markk]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

do you really think 95% of people who make hiring decisions are racist?

i think talk like that is part of what sets this discussion back.

[bogey]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

Do you honestly feel in your heart of hearts that 95% of white employers are possibly racist?

[bkkcoh]

Originally Posted by wutamess

Well Dane... AA isn't intended for you... It's the other 95% of possible (racist) employers.

So how does one assuming that one is a racist, even though it isn't proven that they are helping the situation.

You have the equipment to be a rapist, but are you.

Women have the equipment to become prostitutes, but are all of them.


I will give anyone a chance, but if they screw it up it becomes a problem.

[markk]

Originally Posted by wutamess

We're not taught that the hiring person is racists... we're taught that we have to bring our A game in order to impress (the white guy) so that he'll know we're not the thug but instead we're competent enough to do the job.

I see that as a positive thing. This was a retail job so anyone hired would have access to inventory and money regularly, and with little oversight frankly. I wouldn't have hired someone I wouldn't trust leaving my wallet on my desk while they were sitting in there.

it's kind of annoying that people would think I can't tell the difference between a thug and a good young adult through the course of the interview. If someone was a definite no, you know that within the first 5 minutes. but if that misconception gets them to take the position seriously I'll live with it I guess.