Chiefs PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator - Page 3

**Dave Lane** · 09-22-2008, 12:16 PM

Very interesting article...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm

Down — but definitely out

Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning

By Dan Arkush
Sept. 22, 2008

With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season.

That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition.

Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope.

“On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.”

Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games.

The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck.

Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security.

Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available.

“They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive.

“The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).”

Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media.

“We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.”

What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions.

“He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”

**Skip Towne** · 09-22-2008, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

If this is insinuating that Herm goes to bed at 9 o'clock it's false. Nick was with him all day during training camp and he was working until 11. Who knows what he did after that.

Herm has so much energy. He's going like a maniac 24/7. He's incredible.

Incredibly stupid. He's lost 12 straight remember?

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Incredibly stupid. He's lost 12 straight remember?

What does that have to do with anything?

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

What does that have to do with anything?

It means he sucks? The Chiefs haven't even lead in a game since Tennessee last year.

**cdcox** · 09-22-2008, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

“First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film.”[/B]

Gunther has some really good shit that can help with that.

**MahiMike** · 09-22-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Yeah because we didn't even try to draft when DV was here. Comparing Herm to what was here before that is hardly saying anything.

DV didn't need to draft. He could score 40 pts w/backups...)

chiefs1111 · 09-22-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It means he sucks? The Chiefs haven't even lead in a game since Tennessee last year.

wow,that was a long time ago.......

FringeNC · 09-22-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Gunther has some really good shit that can help with that.

LOL. I forgot about Gunther and the smelling salts.

tk13 · 09-22-2008, 07:23 PM

This is probably a bit harsh. Just a couple months ago we had the best draft, by far... now 3 games into the season we can't evaluate talent. You have to let it play out a bit.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

This is probably a bit harsh. Just a couple months ago we had the best draft, by far... now 3 games into the season we can't evaluate talent. You have to let it play out a bit.

We'll find out how good that draft was though, everyone seemed happy with 06 and today that draft looks like a stinker.

**cdcox** · 09-22-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

LOL. I forgot about Gunther and the smelling salts.

I'll never forget that. I had suspicions before then that Gun was in way, way over his head. That was the confirming moment though.

tk13 · 09-22-2008, 07:26 PM

I don't disagree, it may turn out to be a bad draft. But we don't know if it was good or bad three games into the season. Anybody trying to inflate their ego by stating otherwise is blowing hot air out their colon.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I'll never forget that. I had suspicions before then that Gun was in way, way over his head. That was the confirming moment though.

Grow out your beard and rip off your sleeves!

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't disagree, it may turn out to be a bad draft. But we don't know if it was good or bad three games into the season. Anybody trying to inflate their ego by stating otherwise is blowing hot air out their colon.

I think the thing is it's a guy who's been around Herm giving his opinion of what he's seen over the years, I don't think it's a statement in relation to just this years draft.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2008, 07:28 PM

You cannot use the 2006 draft as proof of Herm's "good" drafting ability.

Every single one of our draft picks, save for Page, has been a disappointment.

**cdcox** · 09-22-2008, 07:30 PM

I think a lot of the problem is that we don't develop our talent. I don't think there is any limit to how big of a coaching staff you can have. If I were a coach of a young team, I'd have developmental coaches (all issued tazers) at every position that worked with the scrubs on fundamentals and techniques.

09-22-2008, 12:16 PM
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator Very interesting article... http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm Down — but definitely out Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning By Dan Arkush Sept. 22, 2008 With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season. That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition. Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope. “On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.” Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games. The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck. Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security. Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available. “They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive. “The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).” Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media. “We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.” What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions. “He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”
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09-22-2008, 07:23 PM	#38
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1987500	This is probably a bit harsh. Just a couple months ago we had the best draft, by far... now 3 games into the season we can't evaluate talent. You have to let it play out a bit.
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09-22-2008, 07:26 PM	#41
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1987500	I don't disagree, it may turn out to be a bad draft. But we don't know if it was good or bad three games into the season. Anybody trying to inflate their ego by stating otherwise is blowing hot air out their colon.
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09-22-2008, 07:28 PM	#44
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	You cannot use the 2006 draft as proof of Herm's "good" drafting ability. Every single one of our draft picks, save for Page, has been a disappointment. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-22-2008, 07:30 PM	#45
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-648231	I think a lot of the problem is that we don't develop our talent. I don't think there is any limit to how big of a coaching staff you can have. If I were a coach of a young team, I'd have developmental coaches (all issued tazers) at every position that worked with the scrubs on fundamentals and techniques.
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