Chiefs PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator - Page 4

**Dave Lane** · 09-22-2008, 12:16 PM

Very interesting article...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm

Down — but definitely out

Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning

By Dan Arkush
Sept. 22, 2008

With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season.

That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition.

Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope.

“On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.”

Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games.

The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck.

Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security.

Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available.

“They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive.

“The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).”

Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media.

“We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.”

What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions.

“He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I think a lot of the problem is that we don't develop our talent. I don't think there is no limit to how big of a coaching staff you can have. If I were a coach of a young team, I'd have developmental coaches (all issued tazers) at every position that worked with the scrubs on fundamentals and techniques.

Yea our coaching staff is the shits man the drizzling shits, I enjoyed Claythan getting all upset when I said Krumrie is a shitty coach but frankly he's a shitty coach.

**Buehler445** · 09-22-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yea our coaching staff is the shits man the drizzling shits, I enjoyed Claythan getting all upset when I said Krumrie is a shitty coach but frankly he's a shitty coach.

Drizzling shits

Agreed. This team consistently looks unprepared and certainly NOT fundementally sound.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Drizzling shits

Agreed. This team consistently looks unprepared and certainly NOT fundementally sound.

Are you aware that we've played Matt Cassel, Jamarcus Russell and Matt Ryan and we have 0 INT's.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2008, 07:36 PM

Are any of our position coaches worth a damn?

Gunther? Nope
Krumrie? Nope
Gibbs? What has he done with Pollard or Page?

Our offensive coaches? Michael Allan didn't develop, our RB coach is new, who knows about Price or Bicknell.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Are any of our position coaches worth a damn?

Gunther? Nope
Krumrie? Nope
Gibbs? What has he done with Pollard or Page?

Our offensive coaches? Michael Allan didn't develop, our RB coach is new, who knows about Price or Bicknell.

I don't wanna ever see a positive post about Page or Pollard again, they are still the same thing. Guys who make rookie mistakes in their 3rd year and whiff on tackles all the time.

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 07:38 PM

It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?

Give me a player he developed.....look before here he wasn't a good coach with Buffalo either.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?

Making tackles isn't a good indicator of a defensive lineman's progression. No one has shown any ability to disrupt plays in the backfield or pressure the quarterback. At the same time, we are still getting gashed in the running game. A guy like Tyler sould make it nigh impossible to run inside.

**Skip Towne** · 09-22-2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?

Do you think it is by chance that we keep getting gashed by the opponents running game?

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 07:47 PM

Actually if you really watch the Chiefs, the interior defensive line is very sound. The reason we're getting gashed is because of breakdowns at the second level. The linebackers are horribly under performing right now.

Tank has been a beast this season. He is consistently winning his one-on-one matchups.

**Buehler445** · 09-22-2008, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Are you aware that we've played Matt Cassel, Jamarcus Russell and Matt Ryan and we have 0 INT's.

And two bloody sacks. Mofuggin 2! Our opposition has 11.

Mecca · 09-22-2008, 07:50 PM

My take on tim krumrie is simple. The guy is a yell in your face type who thinks he can take garbage and mold it into gold and comes up with dumb techniques where teams draft his guys because they beat him in slap fights. He's never made someone into a good defensive tackle, his claim to fame is Ron Edwards who had a 4 sack season backing up Pat Williams and Sam Adams in 2004 who were just beasts. Which probably explains why Edwards is on our team.

Otherwise his list of credentials is like Justin Bannan, Tim Anderson, Ron Edwards it's rather sad. He had the luxury of coming into teams with good Dends or DT's already like Allen here or Schobel and Pat Williams with Buffalo. But he's never done anything special or developed a player.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-22-2008, 07:54 PM

2 goddamn sacks, almost no QB pressures, 0 picks.

I'm not saying that Tank or Dorsey will be busts, but Tim Krumrie won't allow them to become the players they have the talent to become.

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 07:56 PM

That's bullcrap. Go and watch that game. We put pressure on the quarterback, especially from the interior line.

I won't deny our outside pass rush sucks. But that's what happens when you trade Allen and don't draft a defensive end early to replace him.

EVERYONE here was calling Tank a bust last year. Right now he looks like he'll be starting for 10 years.

Hammock Parties · 09-22-2008, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

My take on tim krumrie is simple. The guy is a yell in your face type

He's so much more.

Simply put, YOU ARE IGNORANT.

09-22-2008, 12:16 PM
Dave Lane Space Cadet and Aczabel Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kanab, UT, USA Casino cash: $9333275 VARSITY	PFW: Herm's an awful talent evaluator Very interesting article... http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi092208.htm Down — but definitely out Chiefs’ rebuilding job is only just beginning By Dan Arkush Sept. 22, 2008 With 15 rookies on their 53-man roster and 32 players with three years of experience or less, not too many people realistically expected a Chiefs team that lost its 12th straight regular-season game in Atlanta on Sunday to be anything close to a contending team this season. That said, we hear there are many league observers who believe the Chiefs should be a lot better than they’ve performed three weeks into the season, including some higher-ups in the team’s organization who just might eventually consider making some changes at the top if the team continues to look so inferior to its competition. Said one veteran NFL evaluator a few days before the Chiefs’ 38-14 shellacking by the Falcons: “When you are sitting on the five-yard line and you cannot score against New England (in Week One), and then you get whipped by an organization as dysfunctional as Oakland (in Week Two), I don’t know how you could have any hope. “On paper, it looked like they could be 3-2 through the first five games. After what I’ve seen, I don’t think they could be any better than 0-5, and they are likely looking at the top pick in the draft.” Should that indeed be the case, don’t be surprised if the Chiefs use that pick on the best quarterback available in 2009. With a lot of major concerns from which to choose, the Chiefs’ QB situation is particularly tenuous, with four different signalcallers getting thrown into the fire in the first three games. The quarterback currently under center for the Chiefs is Tyler Thigpen, a third-stringer entering the season who made his first start on Sunday, with Brodie Croyle, who has suffered three injuries in his seven pro starts, out with a separated shoulder, and veteran backup Damon Huard sidelined with a sore neck. Fox insider Jay Glazer’s report Sunday morning that the Chiefs tried to work a trade earlier this week for Browns backup QB Brady Quinn didn’t surprise league insiders, some of whom believe Chiefs GM Carl Peterson could be feeling a real sense of urgency to accelerate the team’s progress and, as a result, solidify his job security. Don’t be surprised if the Chiefs continue to seriously explore other possible “quick fix” solutions in the coming weeks (Jeff Garcia? Daunte Culpepper?) — to the extent that there might be any feasible help available. “They need so much at core positions — it’s not just a quarterback,” said one league source. “It’s the offensive line, rush end, cornerback. It’s going to take more than another draft to make them competitive. “The biggest problem is they do not have a quarterback. And it’s scary to think they were going to pass up a franchise quarterback (Matt Ryan, who scorched the Chiefs on Sunday) last year if he were there at No. 5 (in the 2008 draft).” Chiefs head coach Herm Edwards continues to put up as good a front as he can in his exchanges with the media. “We’re building,” Edwards said earlier this week.” I’m going through it with everybody else, and I don’t like it. But it’s the best thing for this organization.” What might not be the best thing for the organization, according to some sources close to the scene, is for Edwards to have any significant input in the team’s personnel decisions. “He’s an awful evaluator,” said one veteran pro evaluator with firsthand knowledge of Edwards’ personnel acumen. “First of all, he can’t stay awake long enough to watch the film. He’s one of those guys that can watch 15 snaps and then go off for a half hour about what the guy could or could not do for him in his system.”
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09-22-2008, 07:36 PM	#49
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Are any of our position coaches worth a damn? Gunther? Nope Krumrie? Nope Gibbs? What has he done with Pollard or Page? Our offensive coaches? Michael Allan didn't develop, our RB coach is new, who knows about Price or Bicknell. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-22-2008, 07:38 PM	#51
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	It's amazing how people continue to think Krumie is a shitty coach. He does so much more than just scream. Come to training camp and watch him. Do you think it is by chance that McBride and Tyler are making strides?
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09-22-2008, 07:47 PM	#55
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	Actually if you really watch the Chiefs, the interior defensive line is very sound. The reason we're getting gashed is because of breakdowns at the second level. The linebackers are horribly under performing right now. Tank has been a beast this season. He is consistently winning his one-on-one matchups.
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09-22-2008, 07:50 PM	#57
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	My take on tim krumrie is simple. The guy is a yell in your face type who thinks he can take garbage and mold it into gold and comes up with dumb techniques where teams draft his guys because they beat him in slap fights. He's never made someone into a good defensive tackle, his claim to fame is Ron Edwards who had a 4 sack season backing up Pat Williams and Sam Adams in 2004 who were just beasts. Which probably explains why Edwards is on our team. Otherwise his list of credentials is like Justin Bannan, Tim Anderson, Ron Edwards it's rather sad. He had the luxury of coming into teams with good Dends or DT's already like Allen here or Schobel and Pat Williams with Buffalo. But he's never done anything special or developed a player.
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09-22-2008, 07:54 PM	#58
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	2 goddamn sacks, almost no QB pressures, 0 picks. I'm not saying that Tank or Dorsey will be busts, but Tim Krumrie won't allow them to become the players they have the talent to become. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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09-22-2008, 07:56 PM	#59
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $720478	That's bullcrap. Go and watch that game. We put pressure on the quarterback, especially from the interior line. I won't deny our outside pass rush sucks. But that's what happens when you trade Allen and don't draft a defensive end early to replace him. EVERYONE here was calling Tank a bust last year. Right now he looks like he'll be starting for 10 years.
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