NFL Draft Let's put all the QB talk right here - Page 24

Mecca · 09-24-2008, 03:48 AM

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

PunkinDrublic · 09-25-2008, 11:59 AM

What type of offense does Tebow play in?

Pablo · 09-25-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jidar

yes, yes I have. And I haven't seen enough of either of them to say for sure that Tebow can't pass in the NFL and the Stafford can.

I do know I like Staffords throws better but his decision making is suspect to me. Tebow can't make the passes that Stafford can, but the guy plays smart. Combine that with the type of athlete he is and I think he might be something special.

He plays in Urban Meyer's system.

If Chase Daniels didn't run the spread for the last 8 years of his life and he was producing the kind of numbers he is in a pro-style offense, he'd be a pretty good prospect regardless of size. But he doesn't. He runs a gimmick offense of sorts.

Tebow is a great physical specimen and athlete QB'ing in a system designed to boost his numbers.

PunkinDrublic · 09-25-2008, 12:05 PM

One factor that I realized is that with the top pick now aren't the contracts and salaries negotiated before the draft? If that's the case then with the Chiefs having a lot more money under the salary cap then the Rams wouldn't we have more leverage to get Stafford and force the Rams to pay way more than expected if they did select him?

ChiefsCountry · 09-25-2008, 12:16 PM

Our salary cap space doesnt mean anything when it comes to rookie contracts. Rookies have their own cap.

PunkinDrublic · 09-25-2008, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Our salary cap space doesnt mean anything when it comes to rookie contracts. Rookies have their own cap.

Oh well I'm just trying to think of all the possibilities. Even the unlikely event that Stafford pulls an Eli Manning and refuses to play for the Rams.

ChiefsCountry · 09-25-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SBK

That's depressing.

I really dont see how that is depressing unless we are just good enough not to get a better pick in 2010.

ChiefsCountry · 09-25-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

Even the unlikely event that Stafford pulls an Eli Manning and refuses to play for the Rams.

If any team it would be the Chiefs. You would have to be stupid not to want to play with Holt and Steven Jackson.

jidar · 09-25-2008, 12:23 PM

I say we pick the guy who has the better Wonderlic score. At least that way he will give good interviews and maybe he can figure this NFL thing out. Honestly, I think intelligence is underrated by NFL scouts who don't work for the Patriots (it's their secret).

PunkinDrublic · 09-25-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If any team it would be the Chiefs. You would have to be stupid not to want to play with Holt and Steven Jackson.

Steven Jackson is overrated IMO. At least with us he would have some young recievers to throw to.

Chiefnj2 · 09-25-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

One factor that I realized is that with the top pick now aren't the contracts and salaries negotiated before the draft? If that's the case then with the Chiefs having a lot more money under the salary cap then the Rams wouldn't we have more leverage to get Stafford and force the Rams to pay way more than expected if they did select him?

You are saying that Carl and the Chiefs would offer to overpay the #2 player in the draft and break the slotting system so that he wouldn't want to sign with the #1 team? Carl and the Chiefs overpay????

Pablo · 09-25-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

If any team it would be the Chiefs. You would have to be stupid not to want to play with Holt and Steven Jackson.

Because that would be better than playing with LJ, Charles, Bowe, Gonzo?

PunkinDrublic · 09-25-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

You are saying that Carl and the Chiefs would offer to overpay the #2 player in the draft and break the slotting system so that he wouldn't want to sign with the #1 team? Carl and the Chiefs overpay????

Assuming Carl is fired by that time.

okcchief · 09-25-2008, 01:12 PM

I don't know why everyone is so high on Stafford. I have seen him play several times and I'm not saying he can't be good in the NFL, but he would have to improve a lot to be worthy of a first round pick where the Chiefs will be at in the draft.

I do like Bradford a lot but I don't know that he comes out this year. He makes great reads and is awesome at hitting receivers in stride. If he has a great year and is projected really high it's possible he would come out.

I have only seen limited action from Sanchez but what I have seen I have been impressed with.

I'm not sure if Tebow will be an NFL QB or not. The one thing I do like about him is that he is a winner. He exsudes confidence and does what it takes to win the game. That is not something I really see in Stafford. I understand the system QB analogy but it doesn't mean you can't be a good QB in the NFL if you run the spread in college. A good QB is a good QB.

I think this season will tell a lot about if any of these QBs are franchise caliber. It might be better for the Chiefs to go another way in the first round and try a second round QB and bring in a veteran to bring him along.

ToxSocks · 09-25-2008, 01:37 PM

After watching all of that video, i can understand the love affair for both Qb's. Mecca is right, Stafford does make more NFL type throws, because he has to. But, Bradford LOOKS like an NFL QB. Stafford doesnt look like he likes the pocket, while Bradford looks like he's very comfortable in the pocket. I can also imagine Bradford breaking, he plants his feet well. I dont know if that's good or bad.

I think what we need to see is if Bradford could thread the needle. It doesnt look like he has had to, so we dont know if he can or not. Bradford does seem to have great accuracy though.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-25-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by okcchief

I don't know why everyone is so high on Stafford. I have seen him play several times and I'm not saying he can't be good in the NFL, but he would have to improve a lot to be worthy of a first round pick where the Chiefs will be at in the draft.

I do like Bradford a lot but I don't know that he comes out this year. He makes great reads and is awesome at hitting receivers in stride. If he has a great year and is projected really high it's possible he would come out.

I have only seen limited action from Sanchez but what I have seen I have been impressed with.

I'm not sure if Tebow will be an NFL QB or not. The one thing I do like about him is that he is a winner. He exsudes confidence and does what it takes to win the game. That is not something I really see in Stafford. I understand the system QB analogy but it doesn't mean you can't be a good QB in the NFL if you run the spread in college. A good QB is a good QB.

I think this season will tell a lot about if any of these QBs are franchise caliber. It might be better for the Chiefs to go another way in the first round and try a second round QB and bring in a veteran to bring him along.

People talk about Tebow's skills transitioning or not to the NFL, his throwing mechanics, whether he can take snaps from center, whether he can function in an NFL offense. All of those can be debated and have been. However, the one thing that I don't think anyone can challenge is Tebow's competitiveness. I've never seen anyone more competitive, who plays with more fervor and who has a greater desire to win. His attitude and personality towards playing reminds me a lot of Brett Favre.

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09-25-2008, 12:23 PM	#353
jidar MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: a Casino cash: $10004900	I say we pick the guy who has the better Wonderlic score. At least that way he will give good interviews and maybe he can figure this NFL thing out. Honestly, I think intelligence is underrated by NFL scouts who don't work for the Patriots (it's their secret).
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09-25-2008, 01:12 PM	#358
okcchief MVP Join Date: Jul 2008 Casino cash: $9849890	I don't know why everyone is so high on Stafford. I have seen him play several times and I'm not saying he can't be good in the NFL, but he would have to improve a lot to be worthy of a first round pick where the Chiefs will be at in the draft. I do like Bradford a lot but I don't know that he comes out this year. He makes great reads and is awesome at hitting receivers in stride. If he has a great year and is projected really high it's possible he would come out. I have only seen limited action from Sanchez but what I have seen I have been impressed with. I'm not sure if Tebow will be an NFL QB or not. The one thing I do like about him is that he is a winner. He exsudes confidence and does what it takes to win the game. That is not something I really see in Stafford. I understand the system QB analogy but it doesn't mean you can't be a good QB in the NFL if you run the spread in college. A good QB is a good QB. I think this season will tell a lot about if any of these QBs are franchise caliber. It might be better for the Chiefs to go another way in the first round and try a second round QB and bring in a veteran to bring him along.
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09-25-2008, 01:37 PM	#359
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2043063	After watching all of that video, i can understand the love affair for both Qb's. Mecca is right, Stafford does make more NFL type throws, because he has to. But, Bradford LOOKS like an NFL QB. Stafford doesnt look like he likes the pocket, while Bradford looks like he's very comfortable in the pocket. I can also imagine Bradford breaking, he plants his feet well. I dont know if that's good or bad. I think what we need to see is if Bradford could thread the needle. It doesnt look like he has had to, so we dont know if he can or not. Bradford does seem to have great accuracy though.
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