Chiefs Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!! - Page 11

**petegz28** · 10-14-2008, 02:38 PM

Ok, I know there was a lot of drama over the trades but the reality is we have AT LEAST 2, and in that case our BEST 2, players that want out from under Carl, Herm and the Chiefs. So after Allen opined in the same manner last year, one has to wonder how many people on this team really want to be here?

So who is the next one to want out from the disaster Herm and Co have created? Bowe? Charles? Flowers or Carr?

You can debate whether TG and LJ are right or wrong all you want. The fact is we have a team now where the best guys don't want to be here.

WAY TO ****ING REBUILD CARL!!!

Herm has ruined this team where Carl couldn't.

RedThat · 10-14-2008, 03:42 PM

How do ppl know if Carl or Herm are going to lose their job?

It's all wishful thinking. Look at this organization? People who have followed them closely and known them for years how they operate. They hardly make changes.

The Chiefs rarely fire ppl. Vermeil resigned. Schottemheimer the same. They were horrible in the 80's and still kept Steadman in the FO. Coincedence Carl is still here? Wouldn't surprise me if Herm is next year as well.

**Bowser** · 10-14-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Take off the doom and gloom glasses.

You REALLY think this team is going to go 13 of the next 15 seasons with a losing record?

JINX!!!!!

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-14-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Really, where the **** is Clark?

Counting his money

FAX · 10-14-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

Okay - then in the future I suggest you state your objection as that we failed to get more than 3 or 4 yards with the sloption (which I believe is what we got), rather than we simply ran the sloption. Even thought the latter is exactly what you've been posting for a month.

You're right, now that I think about it, we may have netted 2 full yards running the sloption. That was after we signed our sloption quarterback around the first of September (a 2-year contract), promoted him off the PS for one game (three plays, to be precise), and waived him about 10 days later.

Are you defending this stupidity? Really?

FAX

FringeNC · 10-14-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, it takes TWO teams to make a trade. Not one.

No one was offering adequate compensation for Gonzalez.

PERIOD.

My guess is that a 4th-round pick would have been plenty for Herm.

RedThat · 10-14-2008, 03:43 PM

To top it off, they got beat reporters writing articles saying have firing coaches or managers doesn't help solve problems.

bobbything · 10-14-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Take off the doom and gloom glasses.

You REALLY think this team is going to go 13 of the next 15 seasons with a losing record?

No. Not with the way the NFL is run in contrast with the way it was run during those years. It would be almost impossible now.

But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive.

You get way too worked up I've noticed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-14-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

They were horrible in the 80's and still kept Steadman in the FO.

You know, Steadman and company may have been awful at choosing head coaches but they were pretty damn good at loading the roster with a shit ton of talent.

When Marty took over, Okoye, Palmer, Alt, Maas, Dino Hackett, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burrus, Albert Lewis, Mike Bell, Stephone Paige, Jonathon Hayes, Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Rich Baldinger, Carlos Carson, Nick Lowery, Kevin Porter, JC Pearson, Kevin Ross and Alfredo Roberts were all on the roster.

Compare that to the Chiefs of 2006. Or 2007. Or 2008.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 10-14-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

No. Not with the way the NFL is run in contrast with the way it was run during those years. It would be almost impossible now.

But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive.

You get way too worked up I've noticed.

Because people around here would rather talk out of their ass, and base everything they say on hate, than be rational about the situation.

I can't wait for Clark to clean house either, but that doesn't mean I'm going to manipulate or ignore facts to try to make shallow points about why they should be fired.

Objective posters are a dying breed around here...

And BTW, I'm not calling you out. Talking in generalities.

EDIT: Here's an example. The Nap Harris was cut thread.

Almost every comment is something to the effect of "well, that was a waste of $12M"

We all knew that LAST year.

And the funny thing? Is it not a waste of $12M had he been KEPT on the roster?

FAX · 10-14-2008, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

No. Not with the way the NFL is run in contrast with the way it was run during those years. It would be almost impossible now.

But, relatively speaking, I think we're looking at 2-3 (not including this season) more years before this team is even competitive.

You get way too worked up I've noticed.

2 to 3 years is probably a pretty good estimate, Mr. bobbything. I suppose it all depends on how well and how quickly our drafts work out. Based on Herm's first draft (2006), it's not looking all that fantastic, to be honest. The best we can hope for from that class is that Pollard and Page will get better (and Hali, I guess). Croyle looks like he's just not able to withstand the punishment that comes during a complete season.

The 2007 draft looks a lot better, by comparison. Tank, Turk, Bowe, Kolby, Taylor, etc. I just don't know how well those guys would fair on other teams.

FAX

ottawa_chiefs_fan · 10-14-2008, 04:00 PM

I have a question? Has Herm ever had Gatorade spilled on him? Other than self-inflicted spastic spillage?

I would like to see video proof of this EVER happening....

RedThat · 10-14-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You know, Steadman and company may have been awful at choosing head coaches but they were pretty damn good at loading the roster with a shit ton of talent.

When Marty took over, Okoye, Palmer, Alt, Maas, Dino Hackett, Deron Cherry, Lloyd Burrus, Albert Lewis, Mike Bell, Stephone Paige, Jonathon Hayes, Neil Smith, Steve DeBerg, Rich Baldinger, Carlos Carson, Nick Lowery, Kevin Porter, JC Pearson, Kevin Ross and Alfredo Roberts were all on the roster.

Compare that to the Chiefs of 2006. Or 2007. Or 2008.

Well it goes to show..In the NFL, The guys in charge upstairs have to be capable of doing both bringing in the right players, and the right set of coaches as well.

The job of a GM is not easy.

**pr_capone** · 10-14-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

EDIT: Here's an example. The Nap Harris was cut thread.

Almost every comment is something to the effect of "well, that was a waste of $12M"

We all knew that LAST year.

And the funny thing? Is it not a waste of $12M had he been KEPT on the roster?

To be fair... there was only 1 post that said that. It was by a first time poster who just signed on this month.

The rest of them were making fun of the signing... basically agreeing with your opinion that Nap Harris was a horrible FA pick-up.

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Originally Posted by RedBull

great signing

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

What a great signing

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Originally Posted by ottawa_chiefs_fan

I seem to recall posts extolling Herm as being a great evaluator of talent???

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Originally Posted by triple

another awesome free agent move by Carl

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Originally Posted by arc

Replacement punter while our MVP is hurt?

Stuff along these lines.

JuicesFlowing · 10-14-2008, 04:04 PM

The Kansas City Chiefs are a dumpster fire. I stole that phrase from Colin Cowherd.

RedThat · 10-14-2008, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

2 to 3 years is probably a pretty good estimate, Mr. bobbything. I suppose it all depends on how well and how quickly our drafts work out. Based on Herm's first draft (2006), it's not looking all that fantastic, to be honest. The best we can hope for from that class is that Pollard and Page will get better (and Hali, I guess). Croyle looks like he's just not able to withstand the punishment that comes during a complete season.

The 2007 draft looks a lot better, by comparison. Tank, Turk, Bowe, Kolby, Taylor, etc. I just don't know how well those guys would fair on other teams.

FAX

Here's the thing. A lot of us think there is a specific timeline as to when a team should improve and be a contender. That thinking always can get you into trouble.

The main focus should always be on the progression of your team. It could take 5 years to build a football team or maybe 3? truth is, we don't know. But what we do know is there is no progression going on here. I like the youth movement but all of us know the coaching stinks and I have a feeling that stunts the development and growth of some of our younger players.

10-14-2008, 02:38 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-1095873	Herm\Carl take Chiefs to new low!!! Ok, I know there was a lot of drama over the trades but the reality is we have AT LEAST 2, and in that case our BEST 2, players that want out from under Carl, Herm and the Chiefs. So after Allen opined in the same manner last year, one has to wonder how many people on this team really want to be here? So who is the next one to want out from the disaster Herm and Co have created? Bowe? Charles? Flowers or Carr? You can debate whether TG and LJ are right or wrong all you want. The fact is we have a team now where the best guys don't want to be here. WAY TO ****ING REBUILD CARL!!! Herm has ruined this team where Carl couldn't.
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10-14-2008, 03:42 PM	#151
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	How do ppl know if Carl or Herm are going to lose their job? It's all wishful thinking. Look at this organization? People who have followed them closely and known them for years how they operate. They hardly make changes. The Chiefs rarely fire ppl. Vermeil resigned. Schottemheimer the same. They were horrible in the 80's and still kept Steadman in the FO. Coincedence Carl is still here? Wouldn't surprise me if Herm is next year as well.
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	To top it off, they got beat reporters writing articles saying have firing coaches or managers doesn't help solve problems.
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ottawa_chiefs_fan Starter Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Ottawa, Canada Casino cash: $9311312	I have a question? Has Herm ever had Gatorade spilled on him? Other than self-inflicted spastic spillage? I would like to see video proof of this EVER happening....
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10-14-2008, 04:04 PM	#164
JuicesFlowing Losing with passion. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oblivion Casino cash: $10004925	The Kansas City Chiefs are a dumpster fire. I stole that phrase from Colin Cowherd.
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