Chiefs To those who wanted to rebuild - Page 5

Chiefnj2 · 10-20-2008, 09:39 PM

What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year.

I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?

TrickyNicky · 10-20-2008, 11:59 PM

Ok, I don't think we have all the talent yet. Our DT's and Corners are the only guys that I think we're somewhat set at. Every other D position could be upgraded. Derrick Johnson still disappears for 3 games for every great game he has. Sure, we should keep him, because he is still better than any other LB on the team.

beach tribe · 10-21-2008, 05:39 AM

Dick V. never trotted out a defense this bad.

That is grounds enough to fire everyone.

PRIEST · 10-21-2008, 05:45 AM

I am sure it's been said Herm Edwards is the Wrong Coach to rebuild this team or any other team .HE has to be the most incompetent Head Coach I have every witnessed ,hold on I will have to look at the tape & get back with you

jiveturkey · 10-21-2008, 05:57 AM

I'm still fine with it. I expect that next year will be very similar. It's not pretty or fun to watch but it needed to happen.

The long term debate will be whether Herm can get us to the other side.

KC Jones · 10-21-2008, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by PRIEST

I am sure it's been said Herm Edwards is the Wrong Coach to rebuild this team or any other team .HE has to be the most incompetent Head Coach I have every witnessed ,hold on I will have to look at the tape & get back with you

You must not remember Frank Ganz as head coach.

cookster50 · 10-21-2008, 06:34 AM

Rebuild = good
"Rebuild" under Herm = bad, as Herm couldn't "rebuild" a pile of dirt, much less a football team.

TEX · 10-21-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year.

I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?

This is not rebuilding. This is a team heading into oblivion and saying it's rebuilding. There is no plan and no progress is being made.

whoman69 · 10-21-2008, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Agree, but the fact that once he rides the coattails of the previous regime, he has yet proven he can build a team worthy of the NFL with his own players....

Christ his last 4 years would get most coaches banned from the NFL period.. 4-12, 9-7 (God's biggest miracle in the history of time, PLAYOFFS), 4-12 and who knows what this year is.. 3-13?

How can anyone survive that kind of stretch while showing zero adjustments or taking zero responsibility?

The President?

PRIEST · 10-21-2008, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

You must not remember Frank Ganz as head coach.

No I started watching the chiefs in 89. Herm is awful it's the Jets all over again wash rinse repeat .

Chiefnj2 · 10-21-2008, 07:22 AM

I guess the most popular answer at this point is " I wanted to rebuild, and even though I expected a 5 or 6 win season, I'm really disappointed that we aren't losing by less points at this juncture."

**Lzen** · 10-21-2008, 08:07 AM

It's not just the fact that we're losing. It's that we look completely inept. Our coaching staff does not appear to have a freakin' clue.

patteeu · 10-21-2008, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13

We've been worse than we should've been.

But that said, most football fans don't have the patience for a total gutting and rebuilding of the roster like we did... especially when you haven't won anything in forever, and have at least been "competitive" for about 20 years. I'm sure some of the people who always said for years that we need to have two or three top 5 picks didn't realize how bad the football would have to be to reach that point.

How impervious to reality do those people have to be? It's not like we haven't had numerous examples of the kinds of bad football teams who go through that experience over the years. The Rams of the 90's. The Raiders of the past several years. Detroit under Matt Millen. Cleveland. Cincinnati. Arizona. The list goes on.

dallaschiefsfan · 10-21-2008, 08:16 AM

I echo others' words. This isn't a responsible or well-thought rebuild. This is the equivalent of giving a McDonald's employee the tools and authority to build a highway. The highway is needed...and it's a good idea, but the drive-through guy isn't the person to do it.

**Saulbadguy** · 10-21-2008, 08:22 AM

You don't "rebuild" in the NFL. You get fired. End of story. There is a salary cap and free agency for a reason, too bad we refuse to take advantage of that based on the "fact" that we are "rebuilding".

patteeu · 10-21-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year.

I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?

Excellent question, Chiefnj2. It doesn't seem to matter what the Chiefs do. Short of winning a superbowl, bitching about the current approach, whatever it is, is the order of the day.

As for me, I agree that this rebuild should probably have started a year earlier, but I'll wait until I see what's happening in year 2 (2009) before I start getting uptight.

10-20-2008, 09:39 PM
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	To those who wanted to rebuild What changed? This question isn't intended for those who wanted Herm gone for years. It is for those that embraced the rebuild when you first heard about it this offseason. I'd say half the board was excited about the prospect of a real rebuild. People were thrilled that the team was going to go young and most people said they would be able to deal with a bad year as long as the young players got a lot of playing time and showed some improvement by the end of the year. I know the Chiefs have been getting their asses kicked, but if you were for a complete Herm rebuild, why have you jumped ship? Why is your patience exhausted after 6 games?
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10-20-2008, 11:59 PM	#61
TrickyNicky My Black Friend, Alan Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Manhattan Casino cash: $10007047	Ok, I don't think we have all the talent yet. Our DT's and Corners are the only guys that I think we're somewhat set at. Every other D position could be upgraded. Derrick Johnson still disappears for 3 games for every great game he has. Sure, we should keep him, because he is still better than any other LB on the team.
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10-21-2008, 05:39 AM	#62
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $3898036	Dick V. never trotted out a defense this bad. That is grounds enough to fire everyone.
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10-21-2008, 05:45 AM	#63
PRIEST Wtf now Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cocoa Fl Casino cash: $343207	I am sure it's been said Herm Edwards is the Wrong Coach to rebuild this team or any other team .HE has to be the most incompetent Head Coach I have every witnessed ,hold on I will have to look at the tape & get back with you
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10-21-2008, 05:57 AM	#64
jiveturkey Captain Kick Ass Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Kansas Casino cash: $9305197	I'm still fine with it. I expect that next year will be very similar. It's not pretty or fun to watch but it needed to happen. The long term debate will be whether Herm can get us to the other side.
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10-21-2008, 06:34 AM	#66
cookster50 Supreme Commander of My House Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $-36378	Rebuild = good "Rebuild" under Herm = bad, as Herm couldn't "rebuild" a pile of dirt, much less a football team.
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10-21-2008, 07:22 AM	#70
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	I guess the most popular answer at this point is " I wanted to rebuild, and even though I expected a 5 or 6 win season, I'm really disappointed that we aren't losing by less points at this juncture." __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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10-21-2008, 08:07 AM	#71
Lzen Banded Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Oz Casino cash: $-649308	It's not just the fact that we're losing. It's that we look completely inept. Our coaching staff does not appear to have a freakin' clue. __________________ Conversation would be vastly improved by the constant use of four simple words: I do not know.
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10-21-2008, 08:16 AM	#73
dallaschiefsfan Herm is the worst...horrible Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $3058850	I echo others' words. This isn't a responsible or well-thought rebuild. This is the equivalent of giving a McDonald's employee the tools and authority to build a highway. The highway is needed...and it's a good idea, but the drive-through guy isn't the person to do it.
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10-21-2008, 08:22 AM	#74
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $736966	You don't "rebuild" in the NFL. You get fired. End of story. There is a salary cap and free agency for a reason, too bad we refuse to take advantage of that based on the "fact" that we are "rebuilding".
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