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[Tribal Warfare]

Today Stafford lit up LSU at Baton Rouge, just tore them a new asshole because his Receivers were catching the ball finally

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Today Stafford lit up LSU at Baton Rouge, just tore them a new asshole because his Receivers were catching the ball finally

And it wasn't a slip screen with 50 yards of YAC, either.

That pass he threw to Green for the TD on the blitz was just flat badass.

We have to lose out and get a shot at this kid. But with Palmer out, the Bengals are bad enough to lose to us, and the Lions could very well go winless or have only 1 W.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And it wasn't a slip screen with 50 yards of YAC, either.

That pass he threw to Green for the TD on the blitz was just flat badass.

We have to lose out and get a shot at this kid. But with Palmer out, the Bengals are bad enough to lose to us, and the Lions could very well go winless or have only 1 W.

The Bengals picking ahead of us doesn't worry me too much. I dont think they'd take a QB number 1. Detroit is our big worry. They desperately need a QB. We can only hope they're gun shy after the Harrington ordeal and afraid to take a QB that high.

Stafford is the real deal. I hope: A- He comes out and B- We can get him. If we get him in the first, a MLB, a WR, and a DE (unless our young D-Line comes through, I still have some hope) in the draft and plug the O-Line with FA's we can be decent.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by ILChief

The Bengals picking ahead of us doesn't worry me too much. I dont think they'd take a QB number 1. Detroit is our big worry. They desperately need a QB. We can only hope they're gun shy after the Harrington ordeal and afraid to take a QB that high.

Stafford is the real deal. I hope: A- He comes out and B- We can get him. If we get him in the first, a MLB, a WR, and a DE (unless our young D-Line comes through, I still have some hope) in the draft and plug the O-Line with FA's we can be decent.

With a new GM, I don't think the Lions will be gun shy.

We need the Lions to actually find a win somewhere.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Today Stafford lit up LSU at Baton Rouge, just tore them a new asshole because his Receivers were catching the ball finally

lots of things won't show up in the stats too...he was audible-ing out of the blitz regularly, with great success....and he operates under center most of the snaps


and the play...where he's rolling back and to the right, with a defender hanging on, and he fires a pass about 15-20 yards to a wr tightly covered on the sideline...it was a preposterously good play that few players could make...

that sealed the deal for me

he still makes some bad decisions, and is rough in his mechanics, but he understands the game, doesn't wilt under pressure, and has a top %1 arm...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

lots of things won't show up in the stats too...he was audible-ing out of the blitz regularly, with great success....and he operates under center most of the snaps


and the play...where he's rolling back and to the right, with a defender hanging on, and he fires a pass about 15-20 yards to a wr tightly covered on the sideline...it was a preposterously good play that few players could make...

that sealed the deal for me

he still makes some bad decisions, and is rough in his mechanics, but he understands the game, doesn't wilt under pressure, and has a top %1 arm...

Exactly.

[suds79]

I've been thinking about this recently mainly because I think there's a good chance Stafford goes #1 to say Detroit.

But if you didn't know how the QBs are ranked by all the experts, and you just saw them play, wouldn't you think Josh Freeman is arguably at the top of the list?

I know it sounds crazy but this guy just impresses me more & more.

I think everybody assumes that Bradford is at least the 2nd best QB in this class but I just don't know. He's so hard to evaluate considering how WIDE open his WRs get. (see his swing pass for a TD yesterday)

But in measureables Freeman seems to be the front-runner.

Size - Freeman 6'6 250
Accuracy - ESPN shows he's at 61.3% for this year. (on a bad K-state team)
Arm - Probably 2nd only to Stafford. (and couldn't be by much... Did you see that roll out bomb he threw yesterday? Wow.)

I don't know where he'll go in the draft but I think he deserves strong consideration.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by suds79

I've been thinking about this recently mainly because I think there's a good chance Stafford goes #1 to say Detroit.

But if you didn't know how the QBs are ranked by all the experts, and you just saw them play, wouldn't you think Josh Freeman is arguably at the top of the list?

I know it sounds crazy but this guy just impresses me more & more.

I think everybody assumes that Bradford is at least the 2nd best QB in this class but I just don't know. He's so hard to evaluate considering how WIDE open his WRs get. (see his swing pass for a TD yesterday)

But in measureables Freeman seems to be the front-runner.

Size - Freeman 6'6 250
Accuracy - ESPN shows he's at 61.3% for this year. (on a bad K-state team)
Arm - Probably 2nd only to Stafford. (and couldn't be by much... Did you see that roll out bomb he threw yesterday? Wow.)

I don't know where he'll go in the draft but I think he deserves strong consideration.

I really, really question his decision making. Especially after that Louisville game earlier this year.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I really, really question his decision making. Especially after that Louisville game earlier this year.

I have been following Freeman with some interest and intrigue. He can be real good if what you just pointed out could be coached out of him. Unfortunately not by Dick Curl! .... Any way your post reminded me of that first drive killing stupid interception that lead to Oklahoma's first TD. Up to that point Freeman was looking real good. I wouldn't at all mind if we got a reputable QB coach and drafted Freeman in, say, the 3rd round.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Frankie

drafted Freeman in, say, the 3rd round.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I really, really question his decision making. Especially after that Louisville game earlier this year.

As a Big XII guy, he has all the tools, that's a no doubter. And I agree on the decision making, but at the same time, he has shown some improvement in that area if you were to compare his So to his Jr years.

Of course, having a head coach of Ron Price doesn't help him, combined with the fact that K-State has no running game at all, and that spells more trouble for Freeman.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Coach

As a Big XII guy, he has all the tools, that's a no doubter. And I agree on the decision making, but at the same time, he has shown some improvement in that area if you were to compare his So to his Jr years.

Of course, having a head coach of Ron Price doesn't help him, combined with the fact that K-State has no running game at all, and that spells more trouble for Freeman.

This is where you'll find a bit of a divergence between Mecca and I in draft theory.

He's more of a workouts guy, and while I emphasize those numbers, things like decision making for a quarterback are critical. It's what separates a guy like Jamarcus Russell from, say...Phillip Rivers.

Russell is a freak, but there is a balancing act on a QB. If a guy has a (to borrow a baseball term) plus arm, that's fine, anything more is a bonus. If he shows an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, and fit a ball into a tight spot, that is the stuff that is really key.

You have to have both though. Your arm has to be strong enough to put it in the window, but you don't need a Howitzer.

The fact that Stafford has a cannon isn't the selling point. It's just an ancillary benefit.

He's big enough to take a beating. He makes good decisions. He has to throw it into tight windows. He's shown an ability to read a defense and audible out into advantageous plays. And when you have to make next level throws to really squeeze one in a tight spot, he can do it.