Let's put all the QB talk right here

[Mecca]

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

First, yuck. Second, why would the Bills deal Losman? Edwards has already been knocked out of a game. When you're making a playoff run you want a competent backup QB.

While yuck, I would think he would be more idealistic than Culpepper or Simms one way or another. Besides, we all know that Brokie is done, and Damon can't be relied to stay healthy for more than say, two games.

And as for the back-up thing, that's true, but Losman has requested a trade awhile back. Oh well, all of this is irrevelent anyways, but I was only hypothetically speaking anyways

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Excellent post from another forum. This guy sums up all my concerns about Bradford.

Sooner homers, take a Valium before reading.

Originally Posted by Ozzy

Let me put it too you this way, before I started discussing prospects on internet message boards, I liked Sam Bradford. I still do, but at least for me personally I almost start to hate the guy because people are talking him up to be this John Elway, Troy Aikman type, someone who will completely save their franchise. That is totally crap to me, you put Bradford on the Chiefs or Lions you are telling me they will greatly improve their team? Seriously?

The kid is good but I am way more impressed with the talent around him, than him alone. I a WAY more impressed with the offensive line talent blocking for him, I am more impressed with the tight ends on that team as well. I am even more impressed with the running backs that bound the football.

It is just the kid has everything, and I mean EVERYONE at his finger tips. He pretty much has the perfect offense, great players at all positions.

What I hate again is the hype, the franchise saving hype the kid gets. And I say again, you put any other QB in that offense, they will look damn good as well. Put him on a team with a crappy offensive line, no running game and no receivers to throw the ball too.


And then people say Sanchez has talent on USC. That is true but no way is his offensive line as ridiculously talented as Bradford has. On top of that, Sanchez makes professional throws down the field, he has a better arm than Bradford and plays in a more pro style of offense. Sure Sanchez makes those throws because they allow them too, or Bradford does not make those big throws because he cannot do it.

ALSO, Sanchez has greatly improved over last season. Last year he showed signs, this year he is showing much improved ability which makes one believe he can become better and better as a player and keep improving. Bradford, really he has no where to go but down. What he is going to complete 70% of his passes in the NFL? Please....

If Bradford had a bigger better arm, then yes maybe he is worth the hype. But simply look at his arm strength, I am not taking accuracy I am talking strength, I question is greatly.


So dumb down this NFL franchise hype around him and he will not get so much hate. In my book though he gets way to much love to be honest.

[Tribal Warfare]

Today Stafford lit up LSU at Baton Rouge, just tore them a new asshole because his Receivers were catching the ball finally

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Today Stafford lit up LSU at Baton Rouge, just tore them a new asshole because his Receivers were catching the ball finally

And it wasn't a slip screen with 50 yards of YAC, either.

That pass he threw to Green for the TD on the blitz was just flat badass.

We have to lose out and get a shot at this kid. But with Palmer out, the Bengals are bad enough to lose to us, and the Lions could very well go winless or have only 1 W.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And it wasn't a slip screen with 50 yards of YAC, either.

That pass he threw to Green for the TD on the blitz was just flat badass.

We have to lose out and get a shot at this kid. But with Palmer out, the Bengals are bad enough to lose to us, and the Lions could very well go winless or have only 1 W.

The Bengals picking ahead of us doesn't worry me too much. I dont think they'd take a QB number 1. Detroit is our big worry. They desperately need a QB. We can only hope they're gun shy after the Harrington ordeal and afraid to take a QB that high.

Stafford is the real deal. I hope: A- He comes out and B- We can get him. If we get him in the first, a MLB, a WR, and a DE (unless our young D-Line comes through, I still have some hope) in the draft and plug the O-Line with FA's we can be decent.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by ILChief

The Bengals picking ahead of us doesn't worry me too much. I dont think they'd take a QB number 1. Detroit is our big worry. They desperately need a QB. We can only hope they're gun shy after the Harrington ordeal and afraid to take a QB that high.

Stafford is the real deal. I hope: A- He comes out and B- We can get him. If we get him in the first, a MLB, a WR, and a DE (unless our young D-Line comes through, I still have some hope) in the draft and plug the O-Line with FA's we can be decent.

With a new GM, I don't think the Lions will be gun shy.

We need the Lions to actually find a win somewhere.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Today Stafford lit up LSU at Baton Rouge, just tore them a new asshole because his Receivers were catching the ball finally

lots of things won't show up in the stats too...he was audible-ing out of the blitz regularly, with great success....and he operates under center most of the snaps


and the play...where he's rolling back and to the right, with a defender hanging on, and he fires a pass about 15-20 yards to a wr tightly covered on the sideline...it was a preposterously good play that few players could make...

that sealed the deal for me

he still makes some bad decisions, and is rough in his mechanics, but he understands the game, doesn't wilt under pressure, and has a top %1 arm...

[milkman]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

lots of things won't show up in the stats too...he was audible-ing out of the blitz regularly, with great success....and he operates under center most of the snaps


and the play...where he's rolling back and to the right, with a defender hanging on, and he fires a pass about 15-20 yards to a wr tightly covered on the sideline...it was a preposterously good play that few players could make...

that sealed the deal for me

he still makes some bad decisions, and is rough in his mechanics, but he understands the game, doesn't wilt under pressure, and has a top %1 arm...

Exactly.

[suds79]

I've been thinking about this recently mainly because I think there's a good chance Stafford goes #1 to say Detroit.

But if you didn't know how the QBs are ranked by all the experts, and you just saw them play, wouldn't you think Josh Freeman is arguably at the top of the list?

I know it sounds crazy but this guy just impresses me more & more.

I think everybody assumes that Bradford is at least the 2nd best QB in this class but I just don't know. He's so hard to evaluate considering how WIDE open his WRs get. (see his swing pass for a TD yesterday)

But in measureables Freeman seems to be the front-runner.

Size - Freeman 6'6 250
Accuracy - ESPN shows he's at 61.3% for this year. (on a bad K-state team)
Arm - Probably 2nd only to Stafford. (and couldn't be by much... Did you see that roll out bomb he threw yesterday? Wow.)

I don't know where he'll go in the draft but I think he deserves strong consideration.

[Mr. Arrowhead]

I would rank Freeman over bradford

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by suds79

I've been thinking about this recently mainly because I think there's a good chance Stafford goes #1 to say Detroit.

But if you didn't know how the QBs are ranked by all the experts, and you just saw them play, wouldn't you think Josh Freeman is arguably at the top of the list?

I know it sounds crazy but this guy just impresses me more & more.

I think everybody assumes that Bradford is at least the 2nd best QB in this class but I just don't know. He's so hard to evaluate considering how WIDE open his WRs get. (see his swing pass for a TD yesterday)

But in measureables Freeman seems to be the front-runner.

Size - Freeman 6'6 250
Accuracy - ESPN shows he's at 61.3% for this year. (on a bad K-state team)
Arm - Probably 2nd only to Stafford. (and couldn't be by much... Did you see that roll out bomb he threw yesterday? Wow.)

I don't know where he'll go in the draft but I think he deserves strong consideration.

I really, really question his decision making. Especially after that Louisville game earlier this year.

[boogblaster]

We need so much O it's not even funny ... A QB taken in the first is a must along with Olinemen .. Linebackers needed badly on D too ...

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I really, really question his decision making. Especially after that Louisville game earlier this year.

I have been following Freeman with some interest and intrigue. He can be real good if what you just pointed out could be coached out of him. Unfortunately not by Dick Curl! .... Any way your post reminded me of that first drive killing stupid interception that lead to Oklahoma's first TD. Up to that point Freeman was looking real good. I wouldn't at all mind if we got a reputable QB coach and drafted Freeman in, say, the 3rd round.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I really, really question his decision making. Especially after that Louisville game earlier this year.

As a Big XII guy, he has all the tools, that's a no doubter. And I agree on the decision making, but at the same time, he has shown some improvement in that area if you were to compare his So to his Jr years.

Of course, having a head coach of Ron Price doesn't help him, combined with the fact that K-State has no running game at all, and that spells more trouble for Freeman.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by Frankie

drafted Freeman in, say, the 3rd round.