NFL Draft Let's put all the QB talk right here - Page 35

Mecca · 09-24-2008, 03:48 AM

Seeing how all the draft threads turn into QB talk lets use this thread as the QB draft thread....I'll start by putting up some videos.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-26-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach

As a Big XII guy, he has all the tools, that's a no doubter. And I agree on the decision making, but at the same time, he has shown some improvement in that area if you were to compare his So to his Jr years.

Of course, having a head coach of Ron Price doesn't help him, combined with the fact that K-State has no running game at all, and that spells more trouble for Freeman.

This is where you'll find a bit of a divergence between Mecca and I in draft theory.

He's more of a workouts guy, and while I emphasize those numbers, things like decision making for a quarterback are critical. It's what separates a guy like Jamarcus Russell from, say...Phillip Rivers.

Russell is a freak, but there is a balancing act on a QB. If a guy has a (to borrow a baseball term) plus arm, that's fine, anything more is a bonus. If he shows an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, and fit a ball into a tight spot, that is the stuff that is really key.

You have to have both though. Your arm has to be strong enough to put it in the window, but you don't need a Howitzer.

The fact that Stafford has a cannon isn't the selling point. It's just an ancillary benefit.

He's big enough to take a beating. He makes good decisions. He has to throw it into tight windows. He's shown an ability to read a defense and audible out into advantageous plays. And when you have to make next level throws to really squeeze one in a tight spot, he can do it.

58-4ever · 10-26-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is where you'll find a bit of a divergence between Mecca and I in draft theory.

He's more of a workouts guy, and while I emphasize those numbers, things like decision making for a quarterback are critical. It's what separates a guy like Jamarcus Russell from, say...Phillip Rivers.

Russell is a freak, but there is a balancing act on a QB. If a guy has a (to borrow a baseball term) plus arm, that's fine, anything more is a bonus. If he shows an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, and fit a ball into a tight spot, that is the stuff that is really key.

You have to have both though. Your arm has to be strong enough to put it in the window, but you don't need a Howitzer.

The fact that Stafford has a cannon isn't the selling point. It's just an ancillary benefit.

He's big enough to take a beating. He makes good decisions. He has to throw it into tight windows. He's shown an ability to read a defense and audible out into advantageous plays. And when you have to make next level throws to really squeeze one in a tight spot, he can do it.

Stafford certainly impressed yesterday. It will be interesting to see what he does against the Gators.

**DeezNutz** · 10-26-2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You don't think 6'6", 250 lb QBs with ridiculous arm strength last until the third? What's wrong with you?

This is where it would be nice to have that extra third to try to move up. We'll be drafting high in the second, but we'd need to get back into the last half of the first to grab Freeman if Stafford is off the board with our first selection.

Would a second and two thirds be enough to trade back into the late first round? I'm not sure, but I don't think I'd want to do what Cleveland did a couple years ago and trade a future first for a shot at Freeman.

**the Talking Can** · 10-26-2008, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

I would rank Freeman over bradford

i imagine scouts will based on his measurables

**The Bad Guy** · 10-26-2008, 09:46 AM

I really don't think the Lions take a QB either.

I think they really like Orlovski.

Thankfully, the Lions need a big time DE. They also could use an offensive lineman.

We must get Stafford.

Pablo · 10-26-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I really don't think the Lions take a QB either.

I think they really like Orlovski.

Thankfully, the Lions need a big time DE. They also could use an offensive lineman.

We must get Stafford.

They still have Drew Stanton back there.

I'd hope they'd give him a shot, he was a good college QB.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-26-2008, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i imagine scouts will based on his measurables

He's a guy that would do best if he were put in a situation where he sat for at least 2 years. He could end up being a damn good player, but with guys who have questionable decision making skills, they have a much higher bust rate.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-26-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by GonzoRox88

They still have Drew Stanton back there.

I'd hope they'd give him a shot, he was a good college QB.

Stanton has good combine #s, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy so far. I really hope they give him a chance to play, because if he does, they'll take an LT #1.

eazyb81 · 10-26-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I really don't think the Lions take a QB either.

I think they really like Orlovski.

Thankfully, the Lions need a big time DE. They also could use an offensive lineman.

We must get Stafford.

They'll have a new GM in place, so I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to completely clean house and start fresh with a QBOTF. Job security won't be an issue, so taking a QB early would be a smart move.

58-4ever · 10-26-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

i imagine scouts will based on his measurables

Bradford is lean, but he is also only 21 years old.

**the Talking Can** · 10-26-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's a guy that would do best if he were put in a situation where he sat for at least 2 years. He could end up being a damn good player, but with guys who have questionable decision making skills, they have a much higher bust rate.

i wonder if the colts or patriots would take him on that theory...sit for a couple of years....Manning probably has several years left, but both players have knee issues which could end things quick...

eazyb81 · 10-26-2008, 02:38 PM

So am I the only one giving consideration to Josh Freeman? I have barely heard a peep about him on this board, which is odd considering he's a local kid.

I realize most blow him off because he doesn't put up the video game numbers like other Big 12 QBs do, but he's right there with Bradford as the best QB prospect in the league. He has prototype size, a bazooka for an arm, plays in a pro-style offense and has done so since his freshman year. This kid is eerily similar to Jamarcus Russell, and I see some Joe Flacco in him as well.

Are all the KU and MU fans on here dismissing him out of pure bias? I could see him tearing up the combine, and he could be a nice consolation if we miss out on Stafford.

Mecca · 10-26-2008, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is where you'll find a bit of a divergence between Mecca and I in draft theory.

He's more of a workouts guy, and while I emphasize those numbers, things like decision making for a quarterback are critical. It's what separates a guy like Jamarcus Russell from, say...Phillip Rivers.

Russell is a freak, but there is a balancing act on a QB. If a guy has a (to borrow a baseball term) plus arm, that's fine, anything more is a bonus. If he shows an ability to read a defense, go through his progressions, and fit a ball into a tight spot, that is the stuff that is really key.

You have to have both though. Your arm has to be strong enough to put it in the window, but you don't need a Howitzer.

The fact that Stafford has a cannon isn't the selling point. It's just an ancillary benefit.

He's big enough to take a beating. He makes good decisions. He has to throw it into tight windows. He's shown an ability to read a defense and audible out into advantageous plays. And when you have to make next level throws to really squeeze one in a tight spot, he can do it.

I wouldn't say I'm personally a workouts guy on QB's but I'll use that to try to guess where a guy will get picked because I know how teams will completely value those types of QB's guys like Kyle Boller so to speak.

I think you have to have a mix, you need to have shown it in games but you also have to have the pure natural talent to translate.

RustShack · 10-26-2008, 02:43 PM

Stafford>Sanchez>Freeman I like them that order. I want one of them or none.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-26-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

So am I the only one giving consideration to Josh Freeman? I have barely heard a peep about him on this board, which is odd considering he's a local kid.

I realize most blow him off because he doesn't put up the video game numbers like other Big 12 QBs do, but he's right there with Bradford as the best QB prospect in the league. He has prototype size, a bazooka for an arm, plays in a pro-style offense and has done so since his freshman year. This kid is eerily similar to Jamarcus Russell, and I see some Joe Flacco in him as well.

Are all the KU and MU fans on here dismissing him out of pure bias? I could see him tearing up the combine, and he could be a nice consolation if we miss out on Stafford.

He really really should not come out this year. I just don't think his decision making is good enough and he'll slide down quite a bit.

If he stays in school, he's got a good chance of being top 15 next year, even if Sanchez and Bradford declare.

09-24-2008, 03:48 AM
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10-26-2008, 09:46 AM	#515
The Bad Guy Scott Pioli Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: The Copacobana Casino cash: $9283645	I really don't think the Lions take a QB either. I think they really like Orlovski. Thankfully, the Lions need a big time DE. They also could use an offensive lineman. We must get Stafford. __________________
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10-26-2008, 02:38 PM	#522
eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $9984900	So am I the only one giving consideration to Josh Freeman? I have barely heard a peep about him on this board, which is odd considering he's a local kid. I realize most blow him off because he doesn't put up the video game numbers like other Big 12 QBs do, but he's right there with Bradford as the best QB prospect in the league. He has prototype size, a bazooka for an arm, plays in a pro-style offense and has done so since his freshman year. This kid is eerily similar to Jamarcus Russell, and I see some Joe Flacco in him as well. Are all the KU and MU fans on here dismissing him out of pure bias? I could see him tearing up the combine, and he could be a nice consolation if we miss out on Stafford.
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10-26-2008, 02:43 PM	#524
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3046954	Stafford>Sanchez>Freeman I like them that order. I want one of them or none. __________________
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