Let's put all the QB talk right here

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

So am I the only one giving consideration to Josh Freeman? I have barely heard a peep about him on this board, which is odd considering he's a local kid.

I realize most blow him off because he doesn't put up the video game numbers like other Big 12 QBs do, but he's right there with Bradford as the best QB prospect in the league. He has prototype size, a bazooka for an arm, plays in a pro-style offense and has done so since his freshman year. This kid is eerily similar to Jamarcus Russell, and I see some Joe Flacco in him as well.

Are all the KU and MU fans on here dismissing him out of pure bias? I could see him tearing up the combine, and he could be a nice consolation if we miss out on Stafford.

He really really should not come out this year. I just don't think his decision making is good enough and he'll slide down quite a bit.

If he stays in school, he's got a good chance of being top 15 next year, even if Sanchez and Bradford declare.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He really really should not come out this year. I just don't think his decision making is good enough and he'll slide down quite a bit.

If he stays in school, he's got a good chance of being top 15 next year, even if Sanchez and Bradford declare.

Eh, I'm not sure how much one extra year of getting pounded at K-State is going to help his development. I think hooking up with a pro team and a good QB coach would do more for him. To me, the big issue with him is a lack of talent around him, and that won't change next year.

When you look at his size, arm, and athleticism, he's right there with Stafford, if not ahead of him.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Eh, I'm not sure how much one extra year of getting pounded at K-State is going to help his development. I think hooking up with a pro team and a good QB coach would do more for him. To me, the big issue with him is a lack of talent around him, and that won't change next year.

When you look at his size, arm, and athleticism, he's right there with Stafford, if not ahead of him.

Dude, the bust rate of juniors who declare who don't have the greatest history of decision making is catastrophically high.

Alex Smith, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Tim Couch, and Rex Grossman are just a few off the top of my head.

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dude, the bust rate of juniors who declare who don't have the greatest history of decision making is catastrophically high.

Alex Smith, Vince Young, Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Tim Couch, and Rex Grossman are just a few off the top of my head.

So why should Stafford declare? For that matter, why should Sanchez or Bradford?

I know what others have done, but that has no bearing on what Freeman will do. You can't teach his tools, and maybe he's ready to start his career. Anyways, my point is not to argue about whether he should or should not come out; my point is to bring his name into the discussion of QBs we should look at/dream on.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

So why should Stafford declare? For that matter, why should Sanchez or Bradford?

I know what others have done, but that has no bearing on what Freeman will do. You can't teach his tools, and maybe he's ready to start his career. Anyways, my point is to argue about whether he should or should not come out; my point is to bring his name into the discussion of QBs we should look at/dream on.

Well, Sanchez and Stafford should declare because they've shown good decision making and have elevated the play of their teammates (this is far more on Stafford).

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Well, Sanchez and Stafford should declare because they've shown good decision making and have elevated the play of their teammates (this is far more on Stafford).

I'd love to see your argument that proves how Stafford has shown such amazing decision making, while Freeman has not.

Both players have similar completion %, YPA, TD/INT ratios, etc. Both players play in pro-style offenses. One guy has awful talent around him, the other has above-average surrounding talent. Using stats for this argument is not ideal, but that stats certainly don't hurt Freeman in this case.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

I'd love to see your argument that proves how Stafford has shown such amazing decision making, while Freeman has not.

Both players have similar completion %, YPA, TD/INT ratios, etc. Both players play in pro-style offenses. One guy has awful talent around him, the other has above-average surrounding talent. Using stats for this argument is not ideal, but that stats certainly don't hurt Freeman in this case.

I'm not talking about stats, I'm talking about decision making. Look at the game that Freeman played against Louisville, or the one he played against Tech.

Well, you could look up the fact that Stafford has played against far more defenses that actually have NFL caliber players (4 of the top 25 so far, FWIW) and his talent level is shit. He's also missing his LT and has three freshman on his line.