Chiefs Dorsey sucks - Page 8

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 11:08 AM

Plain and simple.

Another bust of a DT

JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker?

Yeah

Not even close.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by PhillyChiefFan

I will agree with your last statement, for sure.

Give him time. If he hasn't made strides in a year and begins to become the DT that he has the potential to become, then I'll completely agree with you.

As for now, your assessment of him is limited, as is everyone else's.

He is raw, but has talent and A LOT of upside.

Sapp had 27 Tackles 1 int in his rookie season.

Dorsey has already exceeded his tackles and matched his int stats. Plus forced a fumble in less games.

I just think everyone expected him to come in and explode off the ball, and pancake opposing guards. I knew that he would be slow in coming, DT's always are unless they have more talent on either side of them, which Dorsey most definatly does not have.

I believe he will be good and a much needed motivational leader for the Chiefs.

Appreciate your encouragement of faith.

But he has a long, long way to go.

There is a lot of room for improvement thats for sure. He had great explosion and power for a DT coming out of college. I watched LSU games last year, so I don't doubt him in that regard. It just hasn't transcended well for him at the NFL level. Maybe part of the reason is his difficulty to adjust at the NFL level? The speed of the game is a heck of a lot faster.

*I don't consider Dorsey raw. He needs to do something that can improve on his technique, but I really think he is gonna need a great off-season workout going for him or something in order for himself to make strides.

Rooster · 11-24-2008, 01:04 PM

I think he will be fine. The only concern is that he hasn't shown any Flashes this year. Every good young player shows Flashes of things to come every once in a while. A great play here or a great play there. He just hasn't had those yet. I'm not worried though. I think he will be a good player when he learns his technique.

RustShack · 11-24-2008, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Who was Jared Allens Dline coach? bob Karmelowiz...Yeah Bob ****n Karmelowiz

Who was JAs DC? Goonther

Who was JAs HC? And Vermeil the man who knows nothing about defense.

IT'S Dorsey. He justs sucks and is what he is a "non-factor". Chief fans I know its tough to swallow, but he is what he is. It's reality.

Are you really dumb enough to compare a DE to a DT? I think there is a reason their positions have different names.

Chiefnj2 · 11-24-2008, 01:06 PM

If you go back to the year 2000 and look at the draft classes of DT's picked in the top 10 then Dorsey is underperforming. I'll leave Okoye out since everyone is saying you need 3 years. The guys that come in strong appear to have the ability to keep it up with the exception of Warren who is merely average. The guys who started off slow pretty much busted.

Robertson (Jets 4th) - 34 tackles and 1.5 sacks. Current status - slumming with Denver.

Sullivan (Saints 6th) - 26 tackles and 1 sack. Current Status - out of football.

K. Williams (Vikings 9th) - * 18 tackles, 5 sacks, 1ff, 1 INT. - Status - Pro Bowl player**

R. Sims (KC) - only started 2 games rookie year. First full year 35 tackles and 3 sacks. Status - rotational DT with the Bucs.

J. Henderson (Jax 9th) - 46 tackles and 6.5 sacks. Status - High quality player.

G. Warren (Browns 3rd) - 48 tackles and 5.0 sacks. Status - starter Raiders.

Corey Simon (Eagles 6th) 38 tackles and 9.5 sacks. Status - After a strong 4 years he ballooned in weight and started holding out. He got fatter, got hurt and is retired (I believe).

* Kevin Williams played 4 games at the end of the year at DT. He started at LDE. The stats posted were his DT stats only (month of December).

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Are you really dumb enough to compare a DE to a DT? I think there is a reason their positions have different names.

Im just trying to prove a point that sometimes its not always about coaching.

Like some here make it seem.

Sure-Oz · 11-24-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Im just trying to prove a point that sometimes its not always about coaching.

Like some here make it seem.

Can't you give him more than 11 games? really

RustShack · 11-24-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Im just trying to prove a point that sometimes its not always about coaching.

Like some here make it seem.

Some players can jump right in, most players take time. He was compared to Warren Sapp coming out, hes already done better than Sapp did and he still has 5 games left.

Brock · 11-24-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Im just trying to prove a point that sometimes its not always about coaching.

Like some here make it seem.

You're not really making any point at all.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

Can't you give him more than 11 games? really

Fine.

Then I would like to see from him:

-More power, and explosion coming off the ball

-Better footwork

-His ability to be in position to close gaps, fill in on angles to the ball carrier

-better hand eye coordination, and timing

Sure-Oz · 11-24-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Fine.

Then I would like to see from him:

-More power, and explosion coming off the ball

-Better footwork

-His ability to be in position to close gaps, fill in on angles to the ball carrier

-better hand eye coordination, and timing

If he is the exact same player by the end of next year then we may need to worry

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Some players can jump right in, most players take time. He was compared to Warren Sapp coming out, hes already done better than Sapp did and he still has 5 games left.

Really? wow..i dont see any sapp in him

RustShack · 11-24-2008, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Really? wow..i dont see any sapp in him

You don't see any Pro Bowler Sapp, or you don't see any rookie year Sapp? If you didn't know, which you likely don't, there is a difference.

RustShack · 11-24-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

If he is the exact same player by the end of next year then we may need to worry

Keep in mind his knees aren't 100% right now either.

RedThat · 11-24-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You're not really making any point at all.

And youre just being stupid

RustShack · 11-24-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

And youre just being stupid

I'm sure the majority of CP thinks the same about you right now.

11-24-2008, 11:08 AM
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Dorsey sucks Plain and simple. Another bust of a DT JWhit is right about everything he said about Dorsey. I thought he was supposed to be the centerpiece around the DLine? "Supposively" supposed to be that difference maker? Yeah Not even close.
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Rooster Draft a QB Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: JoCo Casino cash: $9951689	I think he will be fine. The only concern is that he hasn't shown any Flashes this year. Every good young player shows Flashes of things to come every once in a while. A great play here or a great play there. He just hasn't had those yet. I'm not worried though. I think he will be a good player when he learns his technique. __________________ When Reno Hightower was a prick he was the best damn quarterback in the history of Kern County.
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11-24-2008, 01:06 PM	#109
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6654388	If you go back to the year 2000 and look at the draft classes of DT's picked in the top 10 then Dorsey is underperforming. I'll leave Okoye out since everyone is saying you need 3 years. The guys that come in strong appear to have the ability to keep it up with the exception of Warren who is merely average. The guys who started off slow pretty much busted. Robertson (Jets 4th) - 34 tackles and 1.5 sacks. Current status - slumming with Denver. Sullivan (Saints 6th) - 26 tackles and 1 sack. Current Status - out of football. K. Williams (Vikings 9th) - * 18 tackles, 5 sacks, 1ff, 1 INT. - Status - Pro Bowl player** R. Sims (KC) - only started 2 games rookie year. First full year 35 tackles and 3 sacks. Status - rotational DT with the Bucs. J. Henderson (Jax 9th) - 46 tackles and 6.5 sacks. Status - High quality player. G. Warren (Browns 3rd) - 48 tackles and 5.0 sacks. Status - starter Raiders. Corey Simon (Eagles 6th) 38 tackles and 9.5 sacks. Status - After a strong 4 years he ballooned in weight and started holding out. He got fatter, got hurt and is retired (I believe). * Kevin Williams played 4 games at the end of the year at DT. He started at LDE. The stats posted were his DT stats only (month of December). __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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