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Old 12-16-2008, 06:48 PM   #1
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Why are you even positing this? There is no way anyone could look at this team and claim that a 3-4 is in its best long term interests.

3-4 NT is the hardest position in the NFL to find bar none. We have no talent in the front 7 designed for a 3-4.

This is the exact opposite of what Herm did in New York...took a veteran team with great cover corners and a solid NT and turned it into a Tampa 2 team, and the defense got progressively worse because of it.

If you want to run the 3-4 as a look in a certain package, fine, but we should absolutely not hire anyone, DC or HC, who is a 3-4 disciple unless you are 100% certain that Dorsey is a bust, and there is no way you can know that right now.

And he's not "a player". He's a top 5 draft pick. This is about as intelligent as drafting Sam Bradford and having him run the Al Davis offense.


You should get your resume to Clark quick, because you ****ing know EVERYTHING - yet your reading comprehension really needs work.

What part of "experienced in 43, 34 and 46" do you not understand? I've only mentioned it FOUR or FIVE times.

He worked for the Ravens AS they made the switch from 43 to 34. IIRC, they ran the 43 under him at OU in the late 90's.

If you don't like the guy as a candidate, just say so.

But to claim he's a 34 "disciple" and is inflexible to run any other defense just because he runs a 34 NOW makes you look like a jackass.

I'm not sure WTF happened to you recently, but you've gone from solid, open-minded football talk, to know-it-all-one who sucks the penis in a matter of a few months.
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:51 PM   #2
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I'm not sure WTF happened to you recently, but you've gone from solid, open-minded football talk, to know-it-all-one who sucks the penis in a matter of a few months.
I think it's more likely that you have a very advanced form of amnesia.
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:59 PM   #3
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You should get your resume to Clark quick, because you ****ing know EVERYTHING - yet your reading comprehension really needs work.

What part of "experienced in 43, 34 and 46" do you not understand? I've only mentioned it FOUR or FIVE times.

He worked for the Ravens AS they made the switch from 43 to 34. IIRC, they ran the 43 under him at OU in the late 90's.

If you don't like the guy as a candidate, just say so.

But to claim he's a 34 "disciple" and is inflexible to run any other defense just because he runs a 34 NOW makes you look like a jackass.

I'm not sure WTF happened to you recently, but you've gone from solid, open-minded football talk, to know-it-all-one who sucks the penis in a matter of a few months.
Yeah, I must have not posted to you that "you can run a 3-4 look in a certain scheme" but it shouldn't be a part of the entire package.

Yet, despite this, I'm not acknowledging anything you say or paying attention?

And yet, you go on defending the concept of a 3-4, when it's plain as ****ing day that no one in their right mind would implement it with the talent we have here, unless you want to flush a top 5 draft pick one year into his career. And yet, despite saying that it's just part of a system he uses, you claim that Dorsey would work as a 3-4 end, despite the fact that you supposedly aren't saying that this is a possibility.

I'm not the one calling people a one who sucks the penis because I disagree with them, either.

You do this shit with Mecca all the time in draft threads. Yeah, I'm abrasive and I think I know a lot, but I'm also not hypocritical enough to call someone out on that when it's one of my biggest personality characteristics, as it is with you.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:14 PM   #4
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Yeah, I must have not posted to you that "you can run a 3-4 look in a certain scheme" but it shouldn't be a part of the entire package.

Yet, despite this, I'm not acknowledging anything you say or paying attention?

And yet, you go on defending the concept of a 3-4, when it's plain as ****ing day that no one in their right mind would implement it with the talent we have here, unless you want to flush a top 5 draft pick one year into his career. And yet, despite saying that it's just part of a system he uses, you claim that Dorsey would work as a 3-4 end, despite the fact that you supposedly aren't saying that this is a possibility.

I'm not the one calling people a one who sucks the penis because I disagree with them, either.

You do this shit with Mecca all the time in draft threads. Yeah, I'm abrasive and I think I know a lot, but I'm also not hypocritical enough to call someone out on that when it's one of my biggest personality characteristics, as it is with you.
**** it, I'm not done.

Not ONCE in this thread did I say that Dorsey WOULD work at DE in a 34. I ASKED WHY he wouldn't work. **** as it stands now, I don't know if he's going to work in a 43, much less a 34.

I'm not advocating making the switch. I'm merely making suggestions as to what may/could happen if the new coach WANTED to make the switch.

Just like Baltimore did earlier this decade.

Just like the Niners did when Nolan was brought in.

Just like the Jets are doing now.

As for Mecca, he gets shit from me because he refuses to have an open mind about anything that's not his idea, he goes out of his way to be negative, and he flat out makes shit up to fit his argument.

And considering you are far and away the biggest name-caller on the board, I find it funny you're calling me out for using one who sucks the penis.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:16 PM   #5
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**** it, I'm not done.

Not ONCE in this thread did I say that Dorsey WOULD work at DE in a 34. I ASKED WHY he wouldn't work. **** as it stands now, I don't know if he's going to work in a 43, much less a 34.
Do you honestly think he'd fail at DE in a 3-4?

Play him on the left side, like Baltimore does Pryce and Douglas.



That does not read like a rhetorical question at all.

And FTR, I don't unload on people for disagreeing with me, I do it for dumbassery. Mecca and I disagree about player evals all the time, and I don't call him a one who sucks the penis, because I know that he can ground his reasoning in something sane, not "well, he plays in the BXII, so he's the best prospect in teh world!!"

You wanna see me blast someone, have them talking about Chase Daniel is a first round pick, or how Todd Reesing could run the spread for the Pats, or how Bob Sanders is the MVP of the Colts.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:43 PM   #6
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I don't unload on people for disagreeing with me

You wanna see me blast someone, have them talking about Chase Daniel is a first round pick, or how Todd Reesing could run the spread for the Pats, or how Bob Sanders is the MVP of the Colts.
Uh, I don't have all the fancy degrees and such that you have, but I'm pretty sure those all fall under the category of "disagreements"

YOU think one thing.

SOMEONE ELSE thinks something different.

Disagreement.


I sincerely apologize for calling you a one who sucks the penis. It was wrong.

But please, spare me the speech about only blasting people who are stupid.

Again, I'm sorry.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:45 PM   #7
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Uh, I don't have all the fancy degrees and such that you have, but I'm pretty sure those all fall under the category of "disagreements"

YOU think one thing.

SOMEONE ELSE thinks something different.

Disagreement.
If you want to paint in Donger strokes, sure.
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If you want to paint in Donger strokes, sure.


That's funny.

I can't stay mad at you Hamas...you're too ****ing funny.

EDIT: I was editing my post when you quoted it. See above apology.
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:53 PM   #9
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Uh, I don't have all the fancy degrees and such that you have, but I'm pretty sure those all fall under the category of "disagreements"

YOU think one thing.

SOMEONE ELSE thinks something different.

Disagreement.


I sincerely apologize for calling you a one who sucks the penis. It was wrong.

But please, spare me the speech about only blasting people who are stupid.

Again, I'm sorry.
There's no need to apologize, I don't let things like that get under my skin. People say things during arguments that they don't mean.

I think a lot of people take me the wrong way on here precisely because I can say vile things and not be angered in the least when I do it. It's just part of my misanthropic personality.

A lot of it is generational too. People my age generally call each other ****tards, dumbasses, and shit for brains for minor transgressions.

If you want to see an example of the difference though, a lot of times I disagree with duncan_idaho on stuff, but he's able to make a consistent and well supported case for his side. I respect that. What I don't respect are people saying "X Person is teh shit" and then going to a box score as their only defense.
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