Chiefs Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm - Page 6

KCJohnny · 07:23 AM

Chiefs Players: Don't Blame Herm

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• Among the players lobbying for Herm Edwards’ retention as Chiefs coach was QB Tyler Thigpen, whom Edwards has identified as his anticipated starter in 2009 should he be around to make that decision.

“I hope we’re not playing for his job,” said Thigpen, who saw the Chiefs build the “Pistol” offense around his spread-quarterback abilities at midseason.

“We’ve had some tough ones this year, but I don’t think his job should be in jeopardy,” Thigpen added. “He’s done what he should have done this year. Don’t blame him at all. If anyone wants to say that, come take it up with me.”

• Added Pro Bowl G Brian Waters, who was selected to his fourth Pro Bowl last week:

“Herm, without a shadow of a doubt, is the most resilient person in this organization. He understands the cards he was dealt when he got here (in 2006), and he understands what he has to deal with this season.

“If anybody leads by example, it’s him. He comes to work every day with the same energy, and he has not let this situation affect him one way or another. I don’t know of many coaches that could hold it together through the things we’ve had to go through for the past three years. I think a lot of coaches in that situation would be looking for the door.”

Reading the tea leaves, if Edwards is retained, Thiggy could be his guy. With Quinn Gray as a similarly styled athletic shotgun QB, the mold could be set for Pistol II. Chan Gailey is somehow omitted from the article, the true architect of the KC Pistol. I am wondering if Gailey's style of offense is ultimately welcome in Herm's scheme of maneuver. The low TOP figures (a mere 25 minutes last Sunday) and low rushing attempts (just 15 carries for RBs) are not BucBall.

I think that if Herm is retained (as some players seem to support) that Gailey should be given a blank check and maybe even some more weapons. Clearly, the emerging strength of the team is it's offense. Makes you wonder what a new GM/HC tandem might do with the Chiefs' roster...

**dirk digler** · 12-23-2008, 11:05 AM

This story is interesting. Apparently 95% of the Rams players want Haslett back next year as head coach.

Suffice to say players aren't too bright sometimes.

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http://www.bnd.com/sports/story/589500.html

Haslett remains popular in the Rams' locker room. One veteran who asked to remain anonymous said that 95 percent of the players want Haslett back as head coach next season.

kcfanXIII · 12-23-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

merciful end for all of us.

this is what we are all hoping for.

crazycoffey · 12-23-2008, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I think you'll get another season just like this one if Herm is brought back. That's why I don't want him brought back. He's a bad gameday coach.

what mistake did he make this weekend, on the sideline - gameday.

crazycoffey · 12-23-2008, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

OK. I can understand that perfectly. But I still don't get the people who are afraid of Herm coming back and winning so many games that he might be kept around.

And I've always believed that "gameday coaching" from the head coach is overrated. It's a professional team. The head coach is there on gameday for motivation and guidance. That's why he's on the sideline and not upstairs watching the plays develop. The coordinators do that. They call the plays, and they have the ability to change the scheme when necessary. That doesn't resolve Herm of some of the gameday mistakes he's made, but I question whether a different coach in the same situation would have made any huge difference. When it comes down to it, the coach can say whatever he wants. But the players have to execute on the field. And no amount of coaching can force the players to execute. Without execution on the field, coaching in itself is helpless. And with a team this young, you're not going to have all the players executing well at the same time. It's part of being inexperienced.

you are going to piss off the meccamists....

Brock · 12-23-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

what mistake did he make this weekend, on the sideline - gameday.

I don't know, I'm not basing my comments off of one game.

Fish · 12-23-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

what mistake did he make this weekend, on the sideline - gameday.

Or last weekend against Sad Diego. What mistake directly attributable to Herm made the difference in the game? This was asked last week, and nobody could provide an answer beyond "Herm sucks"....

crazycoffey · 12-23-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I don't know, I'm not basing my comments off of one game.

ok then, the last three games, or are you only going to base your opinion off of a couple games last year, when he F'ed the clock mangement.

Truth - he's not making the same "gameday" mistakes but he's still getting the blame for them, right?

+and again, I'm really only throwing off the lynch mob this site has turned into. If he goes, I won't be sad. I have said that I'm tired of all the start overs, three years running.

MikeMaslowski · 12-23-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Suffice to say players aren't too bright sometimes.

sometimes they shoot themselves in the leg.

**dirk digler** · 12-23-2008, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

ok then, the last three games, or are you only going to base your opinion off of a couple games last year, when he F'ed the clock mangement.

Truth - he's not making the same "gameday" mistakes but he's still getting the blame for them, right?

+and again, I'm really only throwing off the lynch mob this site has turned into. If he goes, I won't be sad. I have said that I'm tired of all the start overs, three years running.

He has made some questionable decisions this year. Off the top of my head he had a couple of relatively short 4th downs and didn't go for them thus putting it in the defenses hand to win the game when they couldn't stop anybody all day long.

beach tribe · 12-23-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

This mindset is quite fascinating to me. Many people have said they don't want Herm here next season, because they're afraid he'll win too many games and end up with an extension.

OK?

You think we could have a big turnaround, get over .500, and have a good young team (built by Herm). But you don't want the guy that made that happen? You're afraid we'd eventually lose in the playoffs? We've only been to the playoffs twice in the last decade, but another playoff appearance wouldn't be good enough for you? For shit's sake.... I think the only way some people will be happy is if a new coach came in and took us to the Superbowl the first year with every draft pick in the pro bowl.... No time for progress, we can't be losing a playoff game... that'd be terrible...

I just can't understand how you can wish for a coach to get fired because you're afraid he'll win too many games next year and deserve a contract extension... That's just putting dislike for the guy ahead of the team's progress....

I want to win a SUPER BOWL. Herm is a Marty clone, only he isn't HALF as good as Marty. I don't care about a PO appearance, or 1 PO win. I don't want a coach who makes the POs, and plays not to lose. I do not dislike Herm. I just don't have any faith in him winning a SB. How hard is that to understand? I'm sorry but unlike you, and Carl, I don't consider making the POs a success. There is only 1 winner every year, and I don't think Herm will ever be the last man standing. It's nothing personal.

Fish · 12-23-2008, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

This story is interesting. Apparently 95% of the Rams players want Haslett back next year as head coach.

Suffice to say players aren't too bright sometimes.

Actually, that's one individual attempting to speak for 95% of his teammates.

crazycoffey · 12-23-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

He has made some questionable decisions this year. Off the top of my head he had a couple of relatively short 4th downs and didn't go for them thus putting it in the defenses hand to win the game when they couldn't stop anybody all day long.

You miss my my point. Last year there were bigger questions, this year there are fewer, and no Herm hater want's to admit that. So the "horrible gameday coach" excuse carries little water.

He HAS had some bad days on that sideline, no question. And by the very nature of humanity - he's going to make other mistakes, everyone does. But when you can see improvements, then you don't keep bringing up the old mistakes. No relationship with work, spouse, family will ever be successful with that mentality.

-again, Herm stays or herm goes <>= to me, overall. Just pointing out other sides of the coin. If a new GM keeps him I'm ok with that, in fact more likely interested in the continuation of what started this year, but understand it if a new GM takes him out.

Otter · 12-23-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

ok then, the last three games, or are you only going to base your opinion off of a couple games last year, when he F'ed the clock mangement.

Truth - he's not making the same "gameday" mistakes but he's still getting the blame for them, right?

+and again, I'm really only throwing off the lynch mob this site has turned into. If he goes, I won't be sad. I have said that I'm tired of all the start overs, three years running.

What about those of us who just think his philosophy is outdated and don't like him because of it?

crazycoffey · 12-23-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Otter

What about those of us who just think his philosophy is outdated and don't like him because of it?

You are entitled to your opinion. But how outdated is it really? just because it hasn't worked to date? It's remarkably similiar to the giants and the colts

**dirk digler** · 12-23-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by CrazyCoffey

You miss my my point. Last year there were bigger questions, this year there are fewer, and no Herm hater want's to admit that. So the "horrible gameday coach" excuse carries little water.

He HAS had some bad days on that sideline, no question. And by the very nature of humanity - he's going to make other mistakes, everyone does. But when you can see improvements, then you don't keep bringing up the old mistakes. No relationship with work, spouse, family will ever be successful with that mentality.

-again, Herm stays or herm goes <>= to me, overall. Just pointing out other sides of the coin. If a new GM keeps him I'm ok with that, in fact more likely interested in the continuation of what started this year, but understand it if a new GM takes him out.

I consider not going for a short 4th down and thus costing us a win a pretty horrible decision. I remember yelling at the TV at the time what an idiot he was for putting the game in the D's hand. He has done this a couple of times this season.

But as far as the TO's go and stuff like that I haven't seen that bad side of Herm since he has been here except for the occasional incident. This year he has been a ton better with reviews that is for sure.

INMVHO the main reasons why Herm should be fired is his 14-27 record in 3 years and his inability to fix the D like he said he would.