Chiefs Whose fault is Tamba Hali? - Page 3

unothadeal · 01-17-2009, 07:58 PM

Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career?

Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly?

Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills?

Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play?

Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?

chiefsfan4life1978 · 01-17-2009, 09:37 PM

I have been really surprised by Tamba Hali's lack of production. Even though he walks and runs with his feet pointed way inward which I've always thought might be a big hinderance to him on the field, he looked so good in college I really thought he'd be productive with or without Allen. McBride, on the other hand, I still remember when we drafted him in the second round and learning of his 6.5 career college sacks and thinking wtf? His lack of production has been no surprise at all.

Chiefaholic · 01-18-2009, 12:23 AM

I seem to recall reading an article a while back that he has problems with his feet. They're wider and faltter than normal, which lead to foot problems. You'de think with the cash these guys have to spend, they'de have shoes tailor made for the guy. That combined with leg problems, a dimwit coaching the D-Line, and a head coach that had no clue, the guy never had a chance.

Tamba's strength is on the left side of the line, and hopefully they'll move Dorsey next to Tamba, then either draft or pick up a bigger DT to take Dorsey's spot. This is where Pioli comes into play and has done quite well drafting stars on the D-Line. A healthy Hali, dominant DT's, and an intelligent D-Line coach could bring his sack total as good as or better than his rookie season.

RINGLEADER · 01-18-2009, 12:42 AM

Jared Allen was responsible for making Tamba Hali (and Gunther for that matter) look better. It's no coincidence that our defense went from last to middle of the pack in lock-step with JA's progress.

Jared Allen really was/is that good. He should have gotten credit for most of Hali's sacks as well.

JuicesFlowing · 01-18-2009, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Tamba Hali is Tamba Hali's fault, I'm guessing.

I'm betting he was his parents fault.

ChiefJustice · 01-18-2009, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Do you think moving to RE had anything to do with it?

I think it was the RE position that failed Hali.He was perfect for the RE until
the RE slept with his RE waitress girlfriend...who also had a right end.

Wilson8 · 01-18-2009, 08:31 AM

I agree with the group that has said moving Tamba to right defensive end and injury hurt him last year. I think if KC brings in a good defensive coordinator and signs or drafts a good right defense end, Tamba’s numbers will improve.
He will never be a star but he can contribute to the team. Tamba was the opposite mistake of drafting a player because of his combine numbers. His combine numbers should have been a warning. Carl fell in love with his story and his character. He is not fast enough to be a speed rusher and he is not strong enough to overpower the offensive tackle. The result is what you have with Tamba, a guy that works hard but does not have the physical tools to dominate at his position.

MikeMaslowski · 01-18-2009, 10:05 AM

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StcChief · 01-18-2009, 10:26 AM

Leave him on LE draft another DT, DE. see where he goes 2009. then

Pioli will have to decide.

BigChiefFan · 01-18-2009, 10:29 AM

Gee, getting rid of our best pass-rusher just might have a little something to do with it, that and Hali is just going through the motions. I'd consider trading him in a heartbeat.

**the Talking Can** · 01-18-2009, 10:32 AM

he sucks against the run no matter where you line him up

he's a rotational LDE that should sub on passing downs...no what you hope for with a 1st round pick, but he can still contribute if we had a DC with a brain...

boogblaster · 01-18-2009, 10:34 AM

It's his fault.. If you watch him he dives in every time .. he gets blocked into the pile .. Pretty simple to block him, use his weight going inside and push him into the pile ...

milkman · 01-18-2009, 10:35 AM

Hali is what he is.

He's a solid, unspectacular, LDE, who is better suited as a rotational type player.

The fact that Krumrie, ****her, and Herman ****ing Edwards decided that he had the kind of talent to play RDE just serves to illustrate how incompetent all these idiots are.

Some of us were saying that it wouldn't work as soon as we heard that Hali was being moved.

**banyon** · 01-18-2009, 12:58 PM

In, retrospect, I'm a genious, right?

Right?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...highlight=hali

MikeMaslowski · 01-18-2009, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by banyon

In, retrospect, I'm a genious, right?

Right?

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...highlight=hali

Um, geniuses typically spell genius correctly. However, I would say you are more of an idiot savant.

L.A. Chieffan · 01-18-2009, 01:08 PM

they shouldnt have mooved him to RE. somebody told me that

01-17-2009, 07:58 PM
unothadeal HOF 20?? Join Date: Dec 2006 Casino cash: $3206120	Whose fault is Tamba Hali? Are the coaches to blame for Hali's drop off in numbers? His first two seasons he had 8 and 7.5 sacks. This season he only had 3. Is it not the same three coaches (Edwards, Gunther, Krumrie) coaching him throughout his career? Why all of a sudden do his sack numbers drop so significantly? Is it Hali himself who isn't motivated? What happened to Herm's motivational skills? Is Hali a 1st round bust just like Ryan Sims who's lack of talent was hidden by Jared Allen's great play? Are the coaches to blame for his 3 sacks this season or is Hali?
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01-17-2009, 09:37 PM	#31
chiefsfan4life1978 Be Humble...Be Humble... Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Lees Summit Casino cash: $10004904	I have been really surprised by Tamba Hali's lack of production. Even though he walks and runs with his feet pointed way inward which I've always thought might be a big hinderance to him on the field, he looked so good in college I really thought he'd be productive with or without Allen. McBride, on the other hand, I still remember when we drafted him in the second round and learning of his 6.5 career college sacks and thinking wtf? His lack of production has been no surprise at all.
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01-18-2009, 12:23 AM	#32
Chiefaholic Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $430027	I seem to recall reading an article a while back that he has problems with his feet. They're wider and faltter than normal, which lead to foot problems. You'de think with the cash these guys have to spend, they'de have shoes tailor made for the guy. That combined with leg problems, a dimwit coaching the D-Line, and a head coach that had no clue, the guy never had a chance. Tamba's strength is on the left side of the line, and hopefully they'll move Dorsey next to Tamba, then either draft or pick up a bigger DT to take Dorsey's spot. This is where Pioli comes into play and has done quite well drafting stars on the D-Line. A healthy Hali, dominant DT's, and an intelligent D-Line coach could bring his sack total as good as or better than his rookie season.
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01-18-2009, 12:42 AM	#33
RINGLEADER In Search of a Life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Confusion, USA Casino cash: $8070503	Jared Allen was responsible for making Tamba Hali (and Gunther for that matter) look better. It's no coincidence that our defense went from last to middle of the pack in lock-step with JA's progress. Jared Allen really was/is that good. He should have gotten credit for most of Hali's sacks as well.
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01-18-2009, 08:31 AM	#36
Wilson8 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $2817557	I agree with the group that has said moving Tamba to right defensive end and injury hurt him last year. I think if KC brings in a good defensive coordinator and signs or drafts a good right defense end, Tamba’s numbers will improve. He will never be a star but he can contribute to the team. Tamba was the opposite mistake of drafting a player because of his combine numbers. His combine numbers should have been a warning. Carl fell in love with his story and his character. He is not fast enough to be a speed rusher and he is not strong enough to overpower the offensive tackle. The result is what you have with Tamba, a guy that works hard but does not have the physical tools to dominate at his position.
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01-18-2009, 10:05 AM	#37
MikeMaslowski There's always next year. Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10009290	swolb ilah abmat Last edited by MikeMaslowski; 01-18-2009 at 10:06 AM.. Reason: dislexiaiaiaaya
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01-18-2009, 10:26 AM	#38
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01-18-2009, 10:29 AM	#39
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	Gee, getting rid of our best pass-rusher just might have a little something to do with it, that and Hali is just going through the motions. I'd consider trading him in a heartbeat. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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01-18-2009, 10:32 AM	#40
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9122208	he sucks against the run no matter where you line him up he's a rotational LDE that should sub on passing downs...no what you hope for with a 1st round pick, but he can still contribute if we had a DC with a brain... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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01-18-2009, 10:34 AM	#41
boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	It's his fault.. If you watch him he dives in every time .. he gets blocked into the pile .. Pretty simple to block him, use his weight going inside and push him into the pile ... __________________ WR or S please
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01-18-2009, 10:35 AM	#42
milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Hali is what he is. He's a solid, unspectacular, LDE, who is better suited as a rotational type player. The fact that Krumrie, **her, and Herman **ing Edwards decided that he had the kind of talent to play RDE just serves to illustrate how incompetent all these idiots are. Some of us were saying that it wouldn't work as soon as we heard that Hali was being moved. __________________
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01-18-2009, 12:58 PM	#43
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01-18-2009, 01:08 PM	#45
L.A. Chieffan PLAY GOOD FOOTBALL Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: American Gardens Building Casino cash: $2688654	they shouldnt have mooved him to RE. somebody told me that
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