Chiefs Haley reminds me of.... - Page 2

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 02:34 PM

Brian Billick.

Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter.

Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good.

The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that.

The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.

**Dylan** · 01-24-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I wouldn't mind a young Billick. Especially one that hires a good OC.

Billick reminds me of Gruden -- both struggled in developing a competent QB...

I could be wrong

**Bane** · 01-24-2009, 03:42 PM

Chan Gailey = Mike Martz

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Of course there is.

Did you think Mike Smith could lead the Falcons to the playoffs with a rookie QB?

Mike Smith wasn't a head coach but he did have one year of experience coaching the LB's at Baltimore and 4 years of success as the Jags d-coordinator.

Haley has been calling the plays for one year. Haley maybe a great coach, but he seems like a big question mark at this point in his career to me. Plus he had problems with Kurt Warner, so he must not be easy to get along with.

FloridaMan88 · 01-24-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Haley has been calling the plays for one year. Haley maybe a great coach, but he seems like a big question mark at this point in his career to me. Plus he had problems with Kurt Warner, so he must not be easy to get along with.

What problems has he had with Kurt Warner?

Elaborate

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Mike Smith wasn't a head coach but he did have one year of experience coaching the LB's at Baltimore and 4 years of success as the Jags d-coordinator.

Haley has been calling the plays for one year. Haley maybe a great coach, but he seems like a big question mark at this point in his career to me. Plus he had problems with Kurt Warner, so he must not be easy to get along with.

Haley coordinated the passing game in Dallas with Parcells, and he's been calling the Arizona offense for TWO seasons.

When did he have problems with Kurt Warner?

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsfan88

So basically your strategy is for the Chiefs to essentially not compete until they can get a proven coach?

What if they hire Gailey and the Chiefs go 9-7 next year. Under your plan, you would favor the Chiefs firing Gailey and hiring Cowher or Shanahan?

Is your plan advocating essentially naming Gailing as an interim head coach until they can hire a head coach like Cowher?

Do you realize how brain-dead your idea looks?

Seriously

I think if you hire Gailey as head coach and hire a good defensive coordinator that the chances of success would be better than hiring Haley. Haley has only been calling plays for a year if Larry Fitzgerald wasn't catching everything thrown to him, Haley wouldn't have even been mentioned. The bonus is that if Gailey is not successful that you haven't invested as much in him and hopefully you could move to a more qualified head coach sooner, maybe even promote the d coordinator that you hired to complement Gailey to head coach.

**Dylan** · 01-24-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Haley coordinated the passing game in Dallas with Parcells, and he's been calling the Arizona offense for TWO seasons.

When did he have problems with Kurt Warner?

I was trying to figure out that, myself...

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

I was trying to figure out that, myself...

He had a sideline spat with Warner about a fumble.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Haley coordinated the passing game in Dallas with Parcells, and he's been calling the Arizona offense for TWO seasons.

When did he have problems with Kurt Warner?

Haley has been OC for 2 years but Whisenhunt called the plays the first year.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

He had a sideline spat with Warner about a fumble.

Way to reach there sport.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-24-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

Haley has been OC for 2 years but Whisenhunt called the plays the first year.

And so what if he only called plays for one year? The guy clearly is a great playcaller. Wisenhunt didn't get half out of the offense that Haley did.

chiefzilla1501 · 01-24-2009, 05:18 PM

Haley would be an interesting gamble. He has the potential to be one of a long list of Parcells tree coaches who get under the players' skins, but knows how to get the best out of them. Then again, he is also abrasive enough that he could maybe lose his players if they aren't winning right away, especially with a young, impressionable team. But I keep steering back to the idea that while his approach seems to work 50% of the time in the NFL, for some weird reason it always seems to work for Parcells-tree coaches. Weird.

I don't know that he has a ton of experience with playcalling with Whisenhunt probably serving as at least an advisor most of the time he was in Arizona, but that doesn't really matter to me. In the end, a head coach can get away with lack of playcalling experience if Pioli hires a strong coordinator on both sides of the ball (which I am confident he will). What matters most is if Haley can get the most out of his players. His style is unorthodox, but it works.

It's a gamble, but it's one I'd be willing to take.

whoman69 · 01-24-2009, 05:43 PM

Gailey hasn't done anything merit the job. He certainly doesn't have a history of success as an HC. Not everyone can be a retread. If Gailey's only qualification over Haley is that he has HC experience, that's pretty weak.

FringeNC · 01-24-2009, 05:52 PM

One thing that makes me comfortable with Haley is how Bill Parcells has been singing this guys praises for a few years. Parcells loves this guy, and that counts for something.

Pioli may like a hard-ass like Haley to weed out the guys who don't fit in long term. Listening to Tony G's comments, it seems that Herm ran a looser ship that we thought. And by the way, that was one big reason Herm had no chance at staying -- being an over the top players' coach. Whoever the new coach is, there are going to be a lot of players who hate him after the Edwards regime.

kcbubb · 01-24-2009, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Way to reach there sport.

The point of this post was not that Gailey is the guy, but that Haley is weak coaching candidate from a historical perspective. I don't think Gailey is a great head coaching candidate, but I do think he did something with nothing. He made an offense that was one of the worst I have ever seen into something that was decent.

With Haley, no one on this board would think he is great if not for some great plays by Whisenhunt's players. Does Larry Fitz catching a ball over two defenders make him a better coach???? Did he pick Larry Fitz in the draft??? If not, then what makes Haley such a great coach that we should commit to him long term?? The cards would have been out of the playoffs without Larry F. making those plays and no one would know who Haley is.

Also another negative for Haley is that one of the teams weakest point is on the front seven defensively. What expertise does he bring to the team that can solve those problems?

01-24-2009, 02:34 PM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $4936719	Haley reminds me of.... Brian Billick. Billick was the offensive coordinator of the Vikings from 92-98 and had one the highest scoring offenses in league history in 1998. The Vikes had an older QB, Randall Cunningham, a super talented, young receiver, Randy Moss, and another very good receiver, Chris Carter. Billick went on to win a superbowl, but his offenses were never very good. The point of the comparison is to show that coaches are often given credit for success that may not be attributable to them. Haley maybe a great coach, but the success of the cardinals offense is not enough to determine that. The Chiefs should hire Chan Gailey as head coach and wait for a more proven coach if Gailey is not successful instead of making a huge commitment to a unproven coach like Hailey.
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chiefzilla1501 In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2008 Casino cash: $-1855503	Haley would be an interesting gamble. He has the potential to be one of a long list of Parcells tree coaches who get under the players' skins, but knows how to get the best out of them. Then again, he is also abrasive enough that he could maybe lose his players if they aren't winning right away, especially with a young, impressionable team. But I keep steering back to the idea that while his approach seems to work 50% of the time in the NFL, for some weird reason it always seems to work for Parcells-tree coaches. Weird. I don't know that he has a ton of experience with playcalling with Whisenhunt probably serving as at least an advisor most of the time he was in Arizona, but that doesn't really matter to me. In the end, a head coach can get away with lack of playcalling experience if Pioli hires a strong coordinator on both sides of the ball (which I am confident he will). What matters most is if Haley can get the most out of his players. His style is unorthodox, but it works. It's a gamble, but it's one I'd be willing to take.
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01-24-2009, 05:52 PM	#29
FringeNC MVP Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: NC Casino cash: $-1823986	One thing that makes me comfortable with Haley is how Bill Parcells has been singing this guys praises for a few years. Parcells loves this guy, and that counts for something. Pioli may like a hard-ass like Haley to weed out the guys who don't fit in long term. Listening to Tony G's comments, it seems that Herm ran a looser ship that we thought. And by the way, that was one big reason Herm had no chance at staying -- being an over the top players' coach. Whoever the new coach is, there are going to be a lot of players who hate him after the Edwards regime.
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