Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 30

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

Sam Hall · 02-10-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

He also saw what Matt Cassell can do, which was pretty similar to what Tom Brady was doing.

Pretty good system with other great players.

I don't see how Thigpen can be compared to Cassell. I'd take Cassell any day of the week.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

He also saw what Matt Cassell can do, which was pretty similar to what Tom Brady was doing.

Pretty good system with other great players.

Matt Cassel can take snaps from center and read defenses if asked.

Being a backup at a program like USC has its advantages.

**dirk digler** · 02-10-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

That he "compares favorably" to every ****ing HOF quarterback who has ever walked the face of the earth.

Elway, Marino, Manning, Brady. You name it.

We need names so we can have a good laugh

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

I don't see how Thigpen can be compared to Cassell. I'd take Cassell any day of the week.

If I have to choose between those two only?

Yeah, Cassel. Not even close.

Mama Hip Rockets · 02-10-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Seems you have the biggest Thigpen fixation of all.

DING DING DING

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

That's the thing, it's very unlikely that you can have your cake and eat it too.

Say we draft Sanchez. I don't think anyone has a problem with him sitting for at least the 1st half of 09, if not the whole year.

But by doing that, it mean that either:

a) You have to bring in a veteran to run your pro style offense, or

b) Thigpen has to be proficient enough to warrant playing while Sanchez sits.

You're not going to draft a QB at 3, and pay him that money to sit and learn an offense you're not planning to use him in. You can't have him sitting on the bench learning a real offense, while the rest of the team is running the Pistol, because that's the only thing Thigpen can run.

Otherwise, option c) is to start Sanchez right away.

After what we all saw early in 2008, I have a hard time believing that anyone thinks that b) is an option. There's no way that in one offseason, Thigpen can get to a level of proficiency in a pro style offense that either Sanchez or a veteran already have.

So like I said, something has to give.

Or option D, you give Thigpen the starting job to start the offseason and make him fight with every last inch of his body to keep his job. If the Chiefs feel uncomfortable with Thigpen in a new offense, then you consider starting a veteran like Huard until Thigpen or Sanchez are ready. If Sanchez is ready and you truly believe he is, then you start him--I'm just not convinced that he will be.

I don't care if Sanchez is drafted or if he wins the job. I just believe that every rookie needs to fight for their job, and that too often the fans and the media put too much pressure on them to start even if they're not ready or not the best option. I just believe that in this stage, you need to force a guy like Sanchez to prove that he's worth a starting job and you need to give Thigpen every last chance to succeed before you give up on him. Just my thoughts.

Sam Hall · 02-10-2009, 09:24 PM

Here's a scenario I don't think the Thigpen supporters can defend: Thigpen keeps it on the option, gets hit in the ribs by a linebacker and is taken off on a stretcher. Croyle is our backup quarterback.

chiefs1111 · 02-10-2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Here's a scenario I don't think the Thigpen supporters can defend: Thigpen keeps it on the option, gets hit in the ribs by a linebacker and is taken off on a stretcher. Croyle is our backup quarterback.

I would be shocked if Croyle is still here when the season starts....

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Here's a scenario I don't think the Thigpen supporters can defend: Thigpen keeps it on the option, gets hit in the ribs by a linebacker and is taken off on a stretcher. Croyle is our backup quarterback.

**RealSNR** · 02-10-2009, 09:28 PM

I just listened to a podcast of an interview with McShay and Kiper.

When discussing QBs, both agree Detroit will take one. Both raised the point that Haley's system in Arizona will be the kind of system that Thigpen thrives in. Also, the host did an interview with Thigpen yesterday, and he said that Thigpen was extremely excited to have Haley as the coach.

They both said any unwillingness to draft a QB by the Chiefs would be due to Pioli attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat like they did with Brady as a 6th rounder. Personally, that's bullshit. The Patriots HAD Drew Bledsoe as a franchise QB, who got injured and outplayed by a 6th round rookie. They really lucked into that one. Pioli won't be counting on Thigpen as the incumbent starter like Bledsoe was for New England.

Kiper finally raised the point that people need to shut up about Sanchez and Stafford comprising a "bad" QB class. That's just bullshit. He said everybody said the same thing about last year, that Matt Ryan throws too many picks, and that Joe Flacco was from a small ass school and the transition to the NFL would take awhile. Even Peyton Manning had all kinds of criticisms coming out of college. Basically, to act like you know everything and say, "Sanchez and Stafford are definitely not as good as Ryan and Flacco" is completely revisionist history. NOBODY thought we'd see this much success from rookie QBs in their first year. So yes, just because we had two successful rookies last year doesn't mean we'll have two successful rookies this year, but that also doesn't mean that because we had two successful rookies last year, we'll have two bad rookies this year.

Kind of said nothing. But they both buy Thigpen as a valid option for the Chiefs instead of drafting a QB in the 1st.

Take that for what it's worth this early in the drafting season pre-combine.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I agree, it's impossible to KNOW.

However, I'd be shocked if you didn't agree that it's a pretty fair assumption that a 7th round pick out of Coastal Carolina who knows nothing but the spread - with ONE offseason of prep-time - is going to be anywhere near as proficient in an offense that a veteran or Stafford/Sanchez have been running for their entire football careers.

Regardless of that, he has football experience and despite what people have said to knock him down, he was at least average on the pro level. I would say that even considering the offense, he has already far outperformed guys like Kyle Boller, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, and Tim Couch. I think too many are assuming that Thigpen's performance in 2008 was easily replicable. Even if it was a college-form offense, it was still a pro style offense simply because it showed some effectiveness on the pro level.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-10-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I just listened to a podcast of an interview with McShay and Kiper.

When discussing QBs, both agree Detroit will take one. Both raised the point that Haley's system in Arizona will be the kind of system that Thigpen thrives in. Also, the host did an interview with Thigpen yesterday, and he said that Thigpen was extremely excited to have Haley as the coach.

They both said any unwillingness to draft a QB by the Chiefs would be due to Pioli attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat like they did with Brady as a 6th rounder. Personally, that's bullshit. The Patriots HAD Drew Bledsoe as a franchise QB, who got injured and outplayed by a 6th round rookie. They really lucked into that one. Pioli won't be counting on Thigpen as the incumbent starter like Bledsoe was for New England.

Kiper finally raised the point that people need to shut up about Sanchez and Stafford comprising a "bad" QB class. That's just bullshit. He said everybody said the same thing about last year, that Matt Ryan throws too many picks, and that Joe Flacco was from a small ass school and the transition to the NFL would take awhile. Even Peyton Manning had all kinds of criticisms coming out of college. Basically, to act like you know everything and say, "Sanchez and Stafford are definitely not as good as Ryan and Flacco" is completely revisionist history. NOBODY thought we'd see this much success from rookie QBs in their first year. So yes, just because we had two successful rookies last year doesn't mean we'll have two successful rookies this year, but that also doesn't mean that because we had two successful rookies last year, we'll have two bad rookies this year.

Kind of said nothing. But they both buy Thigpen as a valid option for the Chiefs instead of drafting a QB in the 1st.

Take that for what it's worth this early in the drafting season pre-combine.

With all due respect, Ryan was a great find; I am not convinced that Flacco would have had even a fraction of the same kind of success if he played on a team with an average running game. I am not at all convinced about Flacco yet.

**dirk digler** · 02-10-2009, 09:30 PM

Thanks for the info SNR. It will be interesting off-season\draft around here if they stick with Thigpen and draft a QB in the lower rounds.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Or option D, you give Thigpen the starting job to start the offseason and make him fight with every last inch of his body to keep his job. If the Chiefs feel uncomfortable with Thigpen in a new offense, then you consider starting a veteran like Huard until Thigpen or Sanchez are ready. If Sanchez is ready and you truly believe he is, then you start him--I'm just not convinced that he will be.

I don't care if Sanchez is drafted or if he wins the job. I just believe that every rookie needs to fight for their job, and that too often the fans and the media put too much pressure on them to start even if they're not ready or not the best option. I just believe that in this stage, you need to force a guy like Sanchez to prove that he's worth a starting job and you need to give Thigpen every last chance to succeed before you give up on him. Just my thoughts.

Uh, option D is option B with different words thrown around.

Like I said, he has to show he's proficient in a pro style offense.

No one is saying that Sanchez should be given the job without competition, but considering who we're dealing with in Thigpen, I think a lot of people are assuming he'll beat him out fair and square - or that Thigpen will show he's not capable of running the offense, and Sanchez or a vet (Huard will not be here) will have to step in.

Sam Hall · 02-10-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I just listened to a podcast of an interview with McShay and Kiper.

When discussing QBs, both agree Detroit will take one. Both raised the point that Haley's system in Arizona will be the kind of system that Thigpen thrives in. Also, the host did an interview with Thigpen yesterday, and he said that Thigpen was extremely excited to have Haley as the coach.

They both said any unwillingness to draft a QB by the Chiefs would be due to Pioli attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat like they did with Brady as a 6th rounder. Personally, that's bullshit. The Patriots HAD Drew Bledsoe as a franchise QB, who got injured and outplayed by a 6th round rookie. They really lucked into that one. Pioli won't be counting on Thigpen as the incumbent starter like Bledsoe was for New England.

Kiper finally raised the point that people need to shut up about Sanchez and Stafford comprising a "bad" QB class. That's just bullshit. He said everybody said the same thing about last year, that Matt Ryan throws too many picks, and that Joe Flacco was from a small ass school and the transition to the NFL would take awhile. Even Peyton Manning had all kinds of criticisms coming out of college. Basically, to act like you know everything and say, "Sanchez and Stafford are definitely not as good as Ryan and Flacco" is completely revisionist history. NOBODY thought we'd see this much success from rookie QBs in their first year. So yes, just because we had two successful rookies last year doesn't mean we'll have two successful rookies this year, but that also doesn't mean that because we had two successful rookies last year, we'll have two bad rookies this year.

Kind of said nothing. But they both buy Thigpen as a valid option for the Chiefs instead of drafting a QB in the 1st.

Take that for what it's worth this early in the drafting season pre-combine.

Please don't tell me Kiper thinks the Chiefs will draft Cullen Harper instead of Sanchez or Stafford.

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02-10-2009, 09:28 PM	#445
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $-1574792	I just listened to a podcast of an interview with McShay and Kiper. When discussing QBs, both agree Detroit will take one. Both raised the point that Haley's system in Arizona will be the kind of system that Thigpen thrives in. Also, the host did an interview with Thigpen yesterday, and he said that Thigpen was extremely excited to have Haley as the coach. They both said any unwillingness to draft a QB by the Chiefs would be due to Pioli attempting to pull a rabbit out of a hat like they did with Brady as a 6th rounder. Personally, that's bullshit. The Patriots HAD Drew Bledsoe as a franchise QB, who got injured and outplayed by a 6th round rookie. They really lucked into that one. Pioli won't be counting on Thigpen as the incumbent starter like Bledsoe was for New England. Kiper finally raised the point that people need to shut up about Sanchez and Stafford comprising a "bad" QB class. That's just bullshit. He said everybody said the same thing about last year, that Matt Ryan throws too many picks, and that Joe Flacco was from a small ass school and the transition to the NFL would take awhile. Even Peyton Manning had all kinds of criticisms coming out of college. Basically, to act like you know everything and say, "Sanchez and Stafford are definitely not as good as Ryan and Flacco" is completely revisionist history. NOBODY thought we'd see this much success from rookie QBs in their first year. So yes, just because we had two successful rookies last year doesn't mean we'll have two successful rookies this year, but that also doesn't mean that because we had two successful rookies last year, we'll have two bad rookies this year. Kind of said nothing. But they both buy Thigpen as a valid option for the Chiefs instead of drafting a QB in the 1st. Take that for what it's worth this early in the drafting season pre-combine.
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02-10-2009, 09:30 PM	#448
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