Nightmare Situation - Page 2

Chiefs=Champions · 02-09-2009, 07:47 PM

Boo..

Ok lets say that the unspeakable happens and Stafford and Sanchez are both taken by pick 3.. What would you do?

With trading down basically impossible, who would you pick?

Personally I would take either Maclin or Jenkins…

teedubya · 02-10-2009, 07:31 AM

I doubt that Pioli takes a QB with #3, regardless.

philfree · 02-10-2009, 08:47 AM

IMO the Chiefs are in a good position. If they can't get a QB at #3 then they get to pick the best player available with that pick. How could this be considered bad? And don't tell me it's about money and contracts because the Chiefs are gonna end up with about $50mil of cap space and Clarke has the money if he chooses to spend it.

PhilFree

Danman · 02-10-2009, 04:33 PM

That is a tough call. Hope some team has a woody for Crabtree and wants to trade up in front of Seattle. Barring that probably Brown or Crabtree even though I consider each a reach. We can't just wait till the 6th or 7th pick to turn our name in because the players agent will still demand #3 money since we had that pick and the NFL would probably side with the player.

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:37 PM

If you have to take a player in that spot you take Jenkins.

milkman · 02-10-2009, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

IMO the Chiefs are in a good position. If they can't get a QB at #3 then they get to pick the best player available with that pick. How could this be considered bad? And don't tell me it's about money and contracts because the Chiefs are gonna end up with about $50mil of cap space and Clarke has the money if he chooses to spend it.

PhilFree

It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Don't tell the anti QB crowd this, if they both got picked those people would start jumping for joy.

philfree · 02-10-2009, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

It's a bad position to be in because the players left if both Sanchez and Stafford are gone are bad value picks, no matter who we select.

Value compared to what? I mean in the end what a team wants is to get the best/right players. Right? I'd prefer Stafford with the third pick and sands the lack of starts I'd be excited about Sanchez. If they're both off the board and we get to pick the best player in the draft besides those two QBs then I still see a very positive situation. Really if those two are both off the board we'll be in the position to make the ultimate value pick.

PhilFree

Sam Hall · 02-10-2009, 09:45 PM

I think we have a high enough pick that it wouldn't be a nightmare. We will get a difference-maker no matter what.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Value compared to what? I mean in the end what a team wants is to get the best/right players. Right? I'd prefer Stafford with the third pick and sands the lack of starts I'd be excited about Sanchez. If they're both off the board and we get to pick the best player in the draft besides those two QBs then I still see a very positive situation. Really if those two are both off the board we'll be in the position to make the ultimate value pick.

PhilFree

Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam Hall

I think we have a high enough pick that it wouldn't be a nightmare. We will get a difference-maker no matter what.

Getting a difference maker and getting value for your pick are two different things.

I'd say AJ Hawk has been a difference maker for the Packers, but I'd also say he hasn't played to the level you expect a Top 5 pick to play.

philfree · 02-10-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Because no one else represents a value to US after the QB's.

The 3 OT's are the only other players worthy of that pick, but only at LT. We have out LT, and you don't take a RT that high in the draft.

Crabtree is way to slow (and is proving it by avoiding running at the combine) to justify that pick. He's nowhere near the elite talent Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald were coming out.

It's bad value to take a LB that high, unless they project to be the next DT or LT. Curry is a coverbacker, and as much as I like Maualuga in the middle, it's way to high to take him.

That leaves us with Michael Jenkins at CB as the only true VALUE at our pick should both the QB's be gone.

I know everything in your post. And I understand it. End the end however we are gonna have the 3rd pick in the draft a very good player will be available. That is not a bad situation.

I think every draft site I've seen as Curry ranked above Jenkins.

I bet Pioli makes the best out of it no matter what happens.

PhilFree

philfree · 02-10-2009, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Getting a difference maker and getting value for your pick are two different things.

I'd say AJ Hawk has been a difference maker for the Packers, but I'd also say he hasn't played to the level you expect a Top 5 pick to play.

So what if you get value for your pick and then that pick busts? That does happen.

PhilFree

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-10-2009, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

So what if you get value for your pick and then that pick busts? That does happen.

PhilFree

Them's the breaks. Happens to even good GM's.

Scott Pioli picked Lawrence Maroney. Hasn't worked out. You move on.

**cdcox** · 02-10-2009, 10:23 PM

I'd draft Andre Smith and trade him for a franchise QB.

Oh wait, ChiefsPlanet members don't run NFL franchises.

StcChief · 02-10-2009, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bowener

Could we just purposely hold our card until the 6th or 8th pick, and then draft a player? It sounds stupid, and is, but if there is NOBODY you would take at #3 and do not want to pay for them, it is the only way to slide down the board and avoid $30 million guaranteed bonuses.

the Vikings oops. clock runs out for an hour.

what would NFL do.

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