Chiefs What's with the Thigpen fixation? - Page 38

Mecca · 02-10-2009, 04:53 PM

Now I fully admit it isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be on this forum but I've yet to figure out this fixation with him. It's really bad at some other unnamed forums..

I honestly have no way of comprehending what it's about. It's like everything people said about Croyle has now been lumped onto Thigpen. "Well um he's the guy we don't need another QB"

The worst part is the people who don't want a QB this year then say well if Thigpen doesn't work out we can just take Bradford or McCoy, it's like peoples brains fell out.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:04 PM

All these true fans rallying around like idiots and me here without any Zyklon B.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

There you go. I actually thought their 2001 team was alot worse defensively.

So that goes back to my question is Brady lucky to have a great D like Ben?

My answer would be no because you have to have a very good D to win a SB along with (usually) a very good to great QB.

They were 6th and points, but 23rd in yards allowed. The talking heads would have said "they rank 23rd in D" b/c they always go by yardage rather than points.

**DeezNutz** · 02-10-2009, 11:06 PM

Just Passin' By · 02-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

And you guys treat the Chiefs like the first girl you ever had a crush on. All hope, no logic.

If I may play devil's advocate while using logic, here are the first round QBs this decade:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Vince Young
Matt Leinhart
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick

That's 22 quarterbacks.

Busts, as of now: Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Grossman, Boller, Losman, Smith, Young, Russell, Leinhart

That's 10 of the QBs taken in that time becoming complete busts to this point. And the other 12 aren't all great (so far), by any means. Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick?

Even being generous with the term, you've got Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler that turned into "studs" at the position. So, even being generous with the term, you've got just over a 33% success rate picking first round QBs this decade, and that's not even taking the underclassman factor into account.

As for the idea of a "top 5" argument, notable failures (to date) include JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith and Vince Young. In Fact, when you factor in those quarterbacks who succeeded (to date) after being taken in the top 5 (Ryan, Manning, Rivers, Palmer), there's a less than 50% success rate for quarterbacks taken in the top 5 this decade.

Given the above information, when the only other option being put forward is a junior quarterback, it's not as if there's no wisdom in saying "No, thanks. I'll take the left tackle.".

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If I may play devil's advocate while using logic, here are the first round QBs this decade:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Vince Young
Matt Leinhart
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick

That's 22 quarterbacks.

Busts, as of now: Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Grossman, Boller, Losman, Smith, Young, Russell, Leinhart

That's 10 of the QBs taken in that time becoming complete busts to this point. And the other 12 aren't all great (so far), by any means. Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick?

Even being generous with the term, you've got Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler that turned into "studs" at the position. So, even being generous with the term, you've got just over a 33% success rate picking first round QBs this decade, and that's not even taking the underclassman factor into account.

As for the idea of a "top 5" argument, notable failures (to date) include JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith and Vince Young. In Fact, when you factor in those quarterbacks who succeeded (to date) after being taken in the top 5 (Ryan, Manning, Rivers, Palmer), there's a less than 50% success rate for quarterbacks taken in the top 5 this decade.

Given the above information, when the only other option being put forward is a junior quarterback, it's not as if there's no wisdom in saying "No, thanks. I'll take the left tackle.".

Careful. Dane will be along shortly to inform you that those guys aren't busts because they're on NFL rosters. They are all at least average, if not above average. You even have a Pro Bowler or two on there!

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-10-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Given the above information, when the only other option being put forward is a junior quarterback, it's not as if there's no wisdom in saying "No, thanks. I'll take the left tackle.".

You're right.

The Chiefs should pass on a potential franchise QB out of fear.

Good one.

**Smed1065** · 02-10-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

No, I did not.

Ok, not every year but when you stated because they had a bad rushing game (just this year top 6 of 10 b4). I posted the stats you did not reply. You did say Ben was the fact due to your view but they had the top 10 rushing the first time Ben won and top running attack 4 of 6 years which includes his first SB. I quoted the facts of the running game and got no reply.

Just curious cause SB was plural under Ben.

See previous post.

I like Ben but to credit him as the only reason is narrow minded and not a fact based on your scale according to you.

I know I do not agree but deal with the real world.

JFC.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2009, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If I may play devil's advocate while using logic, here are the first round QBs this decade:

Matt Ryan
Joe Flacco
JaMarcus Russell
Brady Quinn
Vince Young
Matt Leinhart
Jay Cutler
Alex Smith
Aaron Rodgers
Jason Campbell
Eli Manning
Phillip Rivers
Ben Roethlisberger
J.P. Losman
Carson Palmer
Byron Leftwich
Kyle Boller
Rex Grossman
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Patrick Ramsey
Michael Vick

That's 22 quarterbacks.

Busts, as of now: Ramsey, Harrington, Carr, Grossman, Boller, Losman, Smith, Young, Russell, Leinhart

That's 10 of the QBs taken in that time becoming complete busts to this point. And the other 12 aren't all great (so far), by any means. Brady Quinn, Jason Campbell, Byron Leftwich, Michael Vick?

Even being generous with the term, you've got Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Ben Roethlisberger, Phillip Rivers, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, Aaron Rodgers and Jay Cutler that turned into "studs" at the position. So, even being generous with the term, you've got just over a 33% success rate picking first round QBs this decade, and that's not even taking the underclassman factor into account.

As for the idea of a "top 5" argument, notable failures (to date) include JaMarcus Russell, Michael Vick, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Alex Smith and Vince Young. In Fact, when you factor in those quarterbacks who succeeded (to date) after being taken in the top 5 (Ryan, Manning, Rivers, Palmer), there's a less than 50% success rate for quarterbacks taken in the top 5 this decade.

Given the above information, when the only other option being put forward is a junior quarterback, it's not as if there's no wisdom in saying "No, thanks. I'll take the left tackle.".

#1 Look up how many Super Bowls have been won with first round draft picks at QB

#2 Look up how many Super Bowls have been won by top 5 picks at QB

#3 Take the entire rest of the draft in the same time period, and show me the success/failure rate of those QBs

#4 Show me the safety of all these other high picks. Like LT. You know, the position of Leonard Davis, Robert Gallery, and Mike Williams?

#5: Show me a situation where a franchise should be totally risk averse, and how well it pays off for them.

Extra Point · 02-10-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're right.

The Chiefs should pass on a potential franchise QB out of fear.

Good one.

No. We're all just waiting for Tebow, just to get your west coast goat.

**Smed1065** · 02-10-2009, 11:11 PM

Reerun_KC · 02-10-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Careful. Dane will be along shortly to inform you that those guys aren't busts because they're on NFL rosters. They are all at least average, if not above average. You even have a Pro Bowler or two on there!

do you ever think before you speak?

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

#1 Look up how many Super Bowls have been won with first round draft picks at QB

#2 Look up how many Super Bowls have been won by top 5 picks at QB

#3 Take the entire rest of the draft in the same time period, and show ma the success/failure rate of those QBs

#4 Show me the safety of all these other high picks. Like LT. You know, the position of Leonard Davis, Robert Gallery, and Mike Williams?

Do you have any of these answers? I am very curious about these.

**doomy3** · 02-10-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

do you ever think before you speak?

Why do you say that?

keg in kc · 02-10-2009, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

If I may play devil's advocate while using logic, here are the first round QBs this decade:

You'll need to do a similar breakdown with other positions if you want it to be a truly thorough and logical discussion.

Reerun_KC · 02-10-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Smed1065

JFC

This has turned into a reeruned debate....

It went beyond pointless about 20 pages ago...

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