What's with the Thigpen fixation?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Here's more: Brees had almost 1,300 pass attempts during the past two seasons. It's safe to say he took plenty of shots.

Uh, no. It's not.

Brees has been sacked 29 times combined in 2007/2008.

There were 11 QB that we sacked more THIS YEAR ALONE.

Only Jay Cutler and Kerry Collins were sacked fewer times in 2008.

In Brees' 3 years with the Saints, he's been sacked a whopping 47 times.

Or 1 fewer time than Ben Roethlisberger was sacked THIS YEAR.

[Sam Hall]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Uh, no. It's not.

Brees has been sacked 29 times combined in 2007/2008.

There were 11 QB that we sacked more THIS YEAR ALONE.

Only Jay Cutler and Kerry Collins were sacked fewer times in 2008.

In Brees' 3 years with the Saints, he's been sacked a whopping 47 times.

Or 1 fewer time than Ben Roethlisberger was sacked THIS YEAR.

Just admit that Brees has taken his share of hits. All the Saints do is throw.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Just admit that Brees has taken his share of hits. All the Saints do is throw.

He doesn't.

The stats don't bear that out.

At all.

That offense is predicated on getting the ball out quickly, and that is reflected in the statistics for the number of sacks he's taken. He's not exactly Michael Vick back there, making plays with his feet.

He throws a lot, therefore he must get hit a lot is a ridiculously poor argument.

[Sam Hall]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He doesn't.

The stats don't bear that out.

At all.

That offense is predicated on getting the ball out quickly, and that is reflected in the statistics for the number of sacks he's taken. He's not exactly Michael Vick back there, making plays with his feet.

He throws a lot, therefore he must get hit a lot is a ridiculously poor argument.

You can't question Brees' toughness knowing he has almost 1,300 attempts during the past two seasons. He has almost 400 more attempts than Big Ben over that time.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

You can't question Brees' toughness knowing he has almost 1,300 attempts during the past two seasons. He has almost 400 more attempts than Big Ben over that time.

and then to use sacks as the only indication of how many times brees was HIT, not sacked hit. a qb can get hit no BLASTED and it not be a sack right?

[Sam Hall]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

and then to use sacks as the only indication of how many times brees was HIT, not sacked hit. a qb can get hit no BLASTED and it not be a sack right?

Agreed. The Sanchez fanatics are going too far to make their point. Some of their points are legit, but sometimes they deny established truths about the league. That's what I don't like about the Planet lately. And I think the Chiefs should draft Sanchez.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Agreed. The Sanchez fanatics are going too far to make their point. Some of their points are legit, but sometimes they deny established truths about the league. That's what I don't like about the Planet lately. And I think the Chiefs should draft Sanchez.

me too, but to just look at one side is hilarious. in what 1300 pas attempts and to only get "hit" 29 times is just asinine to say. thats using one side to show youre right while conveniently forgetting that you dont have to be sacked to take a hit

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Agreed. The Sanchez fanatics are going too far to make their point. Some of their points are legit, but sometimes they deny established truths about the league. That's what I don't like about the Planet lately. And I think the Chiefs should draft Sanchez.

WHAT?

Where has anyone mentioned Sanchez while debating your ridiculous statement that Brees would be just as effective in Pittsburgh as Rothlisberger?

WHAT THE ****?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

You can't question Brees' toughness knowing he has almost 1,300 attempts during the past two seasons. He has almost 400 more attempts than Big Ben over that time.

Yeah, I can question his toughness, when you're trying to equate it to him throwing a lot.

The stats bear this out: He's near or at the top when it comes to attempts over the past 3 years, and he's near or at the bottom when it comes to getting sacked.

Peyton Manning throws the ball a lot as well, and he's rarely hit. (Interestingly enough, he's been sacked 49 times in the past 3 years)

He throws a lot, therefore he gets hit a lot is not a logically sound argument.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Yeah, I can question his toughness, when you're trying to equate it to him throwing a lot.

The stats bear this out: He's near or at the top when it comes to attempts over the past 3 years, and he's near or at the bottom when it comes to getting sacked.

He throws a lot, therefore he get's hit a lot is not a logically sound argument.

do you actually think that sacks tell the whole story?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

do you actually think that sacks tell the whole story?

They tell more of the story than ASSUMING that because he throws a lot, he gets hit a lot.

Peyton Manning rarely gets hit. Anyone who watches the Colts knows this.

Yet he throws the ball 500+ times a year, and is always near the top of the attempts list.

Shy of breaking down film of every Brees attempt, the stats, and knowing the offensive system the Saints use (interestingly, very similar to the Colts) have to be used to contract an argument.

But you can't sit here and assume that he gets hit a lot, FOR NO OTHER REASON than he throws a lot. That's terribly flawed logic.