NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 6

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Deberg_1990 · 02-21-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah but QB values are always inflated because it's such a prime position. If it's a bad year or it's a good year for QB's, somebody is still gonna be looking for them in the top 10. That's why some years you get Peyton Manning and Matt Ryan and some years you get Tim Couch and David Carr.

Very true.

Its by far the biggest boom or bust decision to make. But everyone also needs to understand most teams dont draft safe picks like a LB in the top 3. The position isnt enough of a difference maker to justify the pick. Unless its an elite pass rushing guy.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Oh, and FTR, Pioli smoker, if I knew ahead that Sanchez was the next Bledsoe, I'd want no part of him.

Well FTR douchebag, plenty of folks yesterday said that they would. So if you wouldn't what's your problem?
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ChiefsCountry · 02-21-2009, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Obviously he didnt have the success Lienart had, but his physical tools are far greater.

Didnt have the same type players that Leinart had either.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

What credentials do you have to make that assumption that he doesn't contribute?

Mecca told him to say so
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

If the Chiefs don't draft a QB in the first round the majority of the talking heads around here will explode. I can't wait for draft day. It will be so interesting.

I love how the blowhards who think they know so much talk so much they make it seem they are majority here. But the poll the other day proved otherwise only 15 percent said they'd be very upset if the chiefs didn't draft a qb.
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

you haven't watched him play, or even bothered to research his accomplishments or record, or even bothered to learn about the team he played on and literally had to carry...that makes you a) lazy and b) stupid

the people quoted in this article are exactly like you - lazy and stupid...they don't bother to provide any context or analysis for what are hilariously absurd statements...

i've been over his history, stats, and team, in detail...i don't care what lazy, stupid people like you think...i care when lazy, stupid people like you get quoted in articles and other lazy, stupid noobs show up screaming, "AH-HA!...he sucks, lets draft Freeman omg boner!!" or some such lazy, stupid shit that lazy, stupid noobs are prone to say....

if you have a claim to make, then make it and defend it with actual a) facts and b) context.....otherwise lazy, stupid people like you, and those noobs, and the cowards in this article are wasting all of our time and making this place ****ing dumber by the ****ing second....

is that clear enough for you, you lazy stupid piece of shit?

man, i promised i wouldn't even discuss until the draft...but this place is now infested with zombie ****ing reeruns....

Yeah people who don't agree with you are lazy stupid reeruns. **** you. 85 percent said yesterday they wouldn't be upset if they didn't draft a qb. For the majority I will say again **** you.
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**the Talking Can** · 02-21-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Yeah people who don't agree with you are lazy stupid reeruns. **** you. 85 percent said yesterday they wouldn't be upset if they didn't draft a qb. For the majority I will say again **** you.
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another know-nothing fuktard....

Deberg_1990 · 02-21-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

For the majority I will say again **** you.
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Wow, you will make friends around here fast.

milkman · 02-21-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Well FTR douchebag, plenty of folks yesterday said that they would. So if you wouldn't what's your problem?
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My problem is you've smoked so much Pioli you no longer have a ****ing mind of your own, Pioli Smoker.

Rigodan · 02-21-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

My problem is you've smoked so much Pioli you no longer have a ****ing mind of your own, Pioli Smoker.

This

All you've said on here is that if Pioli doesn't think a player is worth the pick don't draft him. You've haven't made any logical arguments on here about anything Chiefs related, you've just said you trust Pioli. 400 posts on here so far and that's all you've managed to say...

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 03:21 PM

Some brilliant responses. What more would you need for me to say other than that? Apparently you geniuses want pioli to draft stafford or sanchez even if he didn't think they were #3 pick value

I'm not really concerned if the obnoxious 15 percent don't care for my opinions or how I come about them. I've been sworn at plenty so I don't feel bad for throwing it back

Here's an Idea. When people on chiefs planet say they'd like the chiefs to get a linebacker or a WR Or a lineman, instead of calling them reeruns noobs trolls etc. How about answering why you disagree like a grown up instead of like some asshole fratboys who have to send laundry home to mommy.
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Wow, you will make friends around here fast.

I have based on feedback I've gotten in private. Not surprising since 85 percent agree with me on the draft question
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RustShack · 02-21-2009, 03:35 PM

I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value

How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value

How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass.

I didn't SAY Pioli doesn't think they have #3 value. I said if he didn't think they did he will and he should pick someone else.

Read much?
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value

How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass.

In your own word. How the **** do you know that? Aren't secure enough in your opinions you have to hide behind your swear words?
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02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Some brilliant responses. What more would you need for me to say other than that? Apparently you geniuses want pioli to draft stafford or sanchez even if he didn't think they were #3 pick value I'm not really concerned if the obnoxious 15 percent don't care for my opinions or how I come about them. I've been sworn at plenty so I don't feel bad for throwing it back Here's an Idea. When people on chiefs planet say they'd like the chiefs to get a linebacker or a WR Or a lineman, instead of calling them reeruns noobs trolls etc. How about answering why you disagree like a grown up instead of like some asshole fratboys who have to send laundry home to mommy. Posted via Mobile Device
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $3046954	I love how people think Pioli doesn't think Stafford or Sanchez doesn't have #3 value How the **** do you know? If you don't have anything to say besides you love Pioli then don't say anything. The people who like Stafford and Sanchez have multiple reasons and will tell you, the people who are against it are the scared fans who want the "safe" pick and just pull BS out of their ass. __________________
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