NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 16

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

ClevelandBronco · 02-21-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

**** you douchebag. I guess you know more than Pioli right internet genius?
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Ride with it, man. These guys are successful in throwing their weight around here and nowhere else.

Monday morning they'll have no choice but to be eating shit again. That fuel burns hot.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

It's schtick. From username to posts.

Has to be.

And to respond to the previous, I don't believe I've ever called anyone a name on this forum. I might be wrong, but it's typically not my style, and it would be a rare occurrence.

Maybe you haven't. Others have.

So now we have the new catchphrase. Schtick.

One guy says it so now everyone else will to?

Brilliant
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ClevelandBronco · 02-21-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Please walk into this:

What is that, 'Hamas'?

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:16 PM

Yes, that one guy was me.

**cdcox** · 02-21-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Who said he was infallible? Of course he'll.make mistakes. But he knows more than anyone here that's for sure
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Why do you keep talking about Pioli? Are you his wife? She knows more about him than anyone on here, that's for sure. No one should act like they know anything about Pioli since they don't know as much about him as his wife.

Crush · 02-21-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Who said he was infallible? Of course he'll.make mistakes. But he knows more than anyone here that's for sure
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 11:17 PM

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No, you stupid ****ing ball-licker; he brought a fresh perspective on the overall gist of the topic.

He brought something no one else had touched on, and he did so in a manner that didn't come across as a butt-hurt n00b dancing the hokey-pokey with a carrot up his ass!

**PHOG** · 02-21-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

We'll just be ****ed for 3 years so it's not really a position I'd like to be in.

OK....there's really no good QBs for the next 3 years?? You're really set against Bradford?? Even after he said he's not ready for the NFL, and needs to build body stength and better recognization skills? Just asking...

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Of course they will because they are effen geniuses. The draft is "their thing". Of course in a few years when the chiefs are strong contenders the same people will be jumping on the Pioli/Haley bandwagon claiming they knew it all along. Always the same with internet geniuses.
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Sounds like this is becoming a pissing match (or mismatch) so I'll just go back to minding myown business.

**Shaid** · 02-21-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What need would you like to address?

1. We have a LT.
2. There isn't an elite DE in the draft (that we know of).
3. There isn't an elite rush backer in the draft (that we know of).

Don't say RT.

This is the most solid arguement for drafting a QB at 3. Now, if by some miracle we could trade out of 3 and back a couple of spots and still get the guy we want, then great. I just don't see it happening. I think our best bet is to "gamble" on Sanchez and see if he can be our Franchise QB.

I will say this, if we draft him we sure the hell better get some players to protect him so we don't ruin him right away. That's a lot of money to spend on a piñata.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-21-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Why do you keep talking about Pioli? Are you his wife? She knows more about him than anyone on here, that's for sure. No one should act like they know anything about Pioli since they don't know as much about him as his wife.

No shit.

I think this guy is Pioli's little net-troll.

"Alright Wang, get your ass on the net and find out the general pulse of the fan base on several forums".

Oooohhh, yes SIR Mr. Pioree; sankyou"!

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Why do you keep talking about Pioli? Are you his wife? She knows more about him than anyone on here, that's for sure. No one should act like they know anything about Pioli since they don't know as much about him as his wife.

I'm sorry. I thought this was a football forum. I believe the GM who is running the draft is a big part of the draft discussion

So go back to whacking off
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FAX · 02-21-2009, 11:24 PM

Personally, I haven't seen a single post by El Zombo that is substantive. I'm sure I missed something but they're few and far between if they exist at all.

From what I can tell, all he's done since he arrived is slam other posters and remind us all that Pioli knows more than we do - which, of course, may well be true. Nevertheless, it kind of hampers conversation.

Based on his English skills, Zombo is uneducated. And probably socially inept, as well. I'm going to chalk it up to that, but I wish he'd at least come forward with some ideas and forgo this constant comparison of our experience as NFL front office executives and Pioli's.

FAX THE WEARY OF THIS

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

No shit.

I think this guy is Pioli's little net-troll.

"Alright Wang, get your ass on the net and find out the general pulse of the fan base on several forums".

Oooohhh, yes SIR Mr. Pioree; sankyou"!

Have you even used your dick for anything the last 8 or 9 years for anything other than jamming it into your hand?
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**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaid

This is the most solid arguement for drafting a QB at 3. Now, if by some miracle we could trade out of 3 and back a couple of spots and still get the guy we want, then great. I just don't see it happening. I think our best bet is to "gamble" on Sanchez and see if he can be our Franchise QB.

I will say this, if we draft him we sure the hell better get some players to protect him so we don't ruin him right away. That's a lot of money to spend on a piñata.

Absolutely.

Improving the QB position and improving the O-line aren't mutually exclusive. We can do both this off-season, and both are pressing needs.

But the point is to identify the best avenues to accomplish these goals. We're already solid at LT. It would be beyond foolish to even consider taking a RT, guard, or center with our first-round pick.

**cdcox** · 02-21-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I'm sorry. I thought this was a football forum. I believe the GM who is running the draft is a big part of the draft discussion

So go back to whacking off
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So you are proposing that our forum adopt the view that expressing an partially informed opinion about the GM is okay but doing the same about a player is out of bounds?

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Personally, I haven't seen a single post by El Zombo that is substantive. I'm sure I missed something but they're few and far between if they exist at all. From what I can tell, all he's done since he arrived is slam other posters and remind us all that Pioli knows more than we do - which, of course, may well be true. Nevertheless, it kind of hampers conversation. Based on his English skills, Zombo is uneducated. And probably socially inept, as well. I'm going to chalk it up to that, but I wish he'd at least come forward with some ideas and forgo this constant comparison of our experience as NFL front office executives and Pioli's. FAX THE WEARY OF THIS
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