NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 18

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

ClevelandBronco · 02-21-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Thank you for sharing your useless opinion that nobody really cares about.
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You just crossed a line, dude.

Mr. FAX is highly respected and valued by everyone on this forum.

Everyone except you.

Cut it out.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Your mothers mouth comes to mind.

So you must be toothpick. Yeah she mentioned you.
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rigodan

They are slamming you for being a mindless zombie, not Pioli. You haven't offered anything of substance to this discussion and you slam other posters for giving their opinions because they aren't Pioli.

No I slam other posters who call people who aren't convinced stafford and sanchez are montana and elway reeruns
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Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

You just crossed a line, dude.

Mr. FAX is highly respected and valued by everyone on this forum.

Everyone except you.

Cut it out.

Oh no I crossed a line. I crossed a line.
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FAX · 02-21-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Did you all see the picture of Pioli's dog in the paper today? The guy whom we're entrusting with the franchise owns this? Well, the picture should speak for itself:

If that's what he comes up with when selecting a pet, I have serious reservations about his ability to pick the #3 overall.

Holy Creepy Canine Creatures!! You have to be kidding me. A grown man owns that?

Is Pioli gay? How can a gay guy properly evaluate football players? It's clear now. We've been deceived. I wondered why he took this job. Pioli was probably run out of NE for sexual advances in the locker room.

FAX

ClevelandBronco · 02-21-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Oh no I crossed a line. I crossed a line.
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I'm just saying that you had an ally right up until that post.

Good luck with the rest of your experience here.

Rigodan · 02-21-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

No I slam other posters who call people who aren't convinced stafford and sanchez are montana and elway reeruns
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I don't know why I tried.

Crush · 02-21-2009, 11:50 PM

Dude, you really do not want to invoke the wrath of the board.

Please refer to Shygums the registered sex offender and Midnight Vulture for further information.

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Holy Creepy Canine Creatures!! You have to be kidding me. A grown man owns that?

Is Pioli gay? How can a gay guy properly evaluate football players? It's clear now. We've been deceived. I wondered why he took this job. Pioli was probably run out of NE for sexual advances in the locker room.

FAX

It gets worse. Look at his car:

soundmind · 02-21-2009, 11:50 PM

Throw this out for debate...a 10:15pm posting to the Star's site has a big deal on Pioli and an interview he sat down for talking about building the team and what not....

Now, I know he just came from NE, so maybe it's coincidence, but of all the numbers he could have chosen, he chose the 23rd pick for this answer? Smells like fish, Cassel or Larry maybe...weird. Might be nothing....

“Even though we’re three, we could be at 23,” Pioli said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine. “Even though you’re at 23, you could be at three. The draft strategy is know the entire board, know all the players, know there might be opportunities to manipulate the draft board, moving up or down, and gain draft picks or give away draft picks to get veteran players. … The whole thing is very fluid.

“Draft day is opportunity. Anything we can do to make the team better right now or in the future. … Sometimes what you’re doing to make your team better can be trading for picks in the future. You’re collecting players, you’re collecting picks, you’re collecting methods and ways to accumulate good players.”

Crush · 02-21-2009, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Throw this out for debate...a 10:15pm posting to the Star's site has a big deal on Pioli and an interview he sat down for talking about building the team and what not....

Now, I know he just came from NE, so maybe it's coincidence, but of all the numbers he could have chosen, he chose the 23rd pick for this answer?

“Even though we’re three, we could be at 23,” Pioli said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine. “Even though you’re at 23, you could be at three. The draft strategy is know the entire board, know all the players, know there might be opportunities to manipulate the draft board, moving up or down, and gain draft picks or give away draft picks to get veteran players. … The whole thing is very fluid.

“Draft day is opportunity. Anything we can do to make the team better right now or in the future. … Sometimes what you’re doing to make your team better can be trading for picks in the future. You’re collecting players, you’re collecting picks, you’re collecting methods and ways to accumulate good players.”

Sorry, all football discussion has been temporarily suspended due to Pioli Zombie having something stuck up his ass.

Pioli Zombie · 02-21-2009, 11:53 PM

Like I give a shit if people make remarks about Pioli personally. I'm talking football. You can call pioli a fat piece of gay child molester and its not going to bother me. But question his football intelligence and you show yourself to be an ignorant fool.

By the way for a second FAX I thought I had insulted a member of the clergy but your post relieved me of any guilt your a classless douchebag like the rest of meccas must draft a qb gay posse.
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-21-2009, 11:53 PM

How does that sonofabitch have any green bars?

FAX · 02-21-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind

Throw this out for debate...a 10:15pm posting to the Star's site has a big deal on Pioli and an interview he sat down for talking about building the team and what not....

Now, I know he just came from NE, so maybe it's coincidence, but of all the numbers he could have chosen, he chose the 23rd pick for this answer?

“Even though we’re three, we could be at 23,” Pioli said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine. “Even though you’re at 23, you could be at three. The draft strategy is know the entire board, know all the players, know there might be opportunities to manipulate the draft board, moving up or down, and gain draft picks or give away draft picks to get veteran players. … The whole thing is very fluid.

“Draft day is opportunity. Anything we can do to make the team better right now or in the future. … Sometimes what you’re doing to make your team better can be trading for picks in the future. You’re collecting players, you’re collecting picks, you’re collecting methods and ways to accumulate good players.”

That is interesting. Thanks for the post, Mr. soundmind.

I really like his approach. Could it be that the Chiefs' future is actually bright?

Somebody pinch me. But not hard. And not on the ass.

FAX

**DeezNutz** · 02-21-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

How does that sonofabitch have any green bars?

I asked the same thing yesterday.

And I suppose we all know the answer.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
chiefforlife Colorado Chief Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Casino cash: $5493147	Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m. Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion. And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day. Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff. We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players. Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.” The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee. “He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted. “What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.” Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person. “As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader. “The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.” (And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.) So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.
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soundmind EB:29 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kansas City, MO Casino cash: $10004900	Throw this out for debate...a 10:15pm posting to the Star's site has a big deal on Pioli and an interview he sat down for talking about building the team and what not.... Now, I know he just came from NE, so maybe it's coincidence, but of all the numbers he could have chosen, he chose the 23rd pick for this answer? Smells like fish, Cassel or Larry maybe...weird. Might be nothing.... “Even though we’re three, we could be at 23,” Pioli said Saturday at the NFL scouting combine. “Even though you’re at 23, you could be at three. The draft strategy is know the entire board, know all the players, know there might be opportunities to manipulate the draft board, moving up or down, and gain draft picks or give away draft picks to get veteran players. … The whole thing is very fluid. “Draft day is opportunity. Anything we can do to make the team better right now or in the future. … Sometimes what you’re doing to make your team better can be trading for picks in the future. You’re collecting players, you’re collecting picks, you’re collecting methods and ways to accumulate good players.”
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