Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10

[chiefforlife]

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Crush

Dude, your full name, address, place of employment, telephone number, and every other little secret that you may have is up for the taking.

I highly suggest that you stop this little game before the detectives decide to go to work.

Shhhhhhhhhh!

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ah. Excuse me.

I'm so wrapped up in the Zombie files that I might have missed the boat. Many apologies.

I will lower my bullshit ranking from 100% to, oh..., 98%.

He's not going to keep a lock down at 1 Arrowhead and then make that type of tell.

Right, it's still no doubt bullshit. But at least it makes a little more sense why it is even worth mentioning.

[Pioli Zombie]

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

For not being you, or like you.

Are you talking rep points? Yeah not surprisingly I got a ton. Can't check it on my wireless but the last time I was on the computer I had a lot of positive feedback from the majority here who think you guys are complete ass holes but don't want to mix it up with you like I'm willing too.
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[soundmind]

Originally Posted by doomy3

Well, I think his point is that it just so happens that New England holds the #23 pick. Could there be something to the Cassel rumor or whatever

That was exactly what I was getting at.

I know we're likely to hear that kind of thing, being in need of a QB and all, but it sounds kind of funny hearing all this about Pioli and Cassel today...then to read a quote where he mentions the 23rd pick....maybe he's baiting DET or another team...maybe it was freudian....maybe it was complete horses**t...just thought I'd share the article.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I expended a shit ton of ordinance, and I'm able to swing a decent stick.

I almost wonder if he's bankrolled by some long-surviving true fans hiding in the shadows.

I think so. Zombo's reign of terror is obviously supported by dark masters, Mr. 'Hamas' Jenkins. I fear for our sanity.

FAX

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

I almost wonder if he's bankrolled by some long-surviving true fans hiding in the shadows.

Given the Planet hierarchy in this area, the options would be somewhat slim; that's why I have reservations about this theory.

[Crush]

Well, I've had my fun with Zombo. He obviously has nothing better to do then play internet troll, but it is time to get off of this gravy train.

[Pioli Zombie]

Although I would enjoy it to see the #3 traded down just to hear the wailing and crying the hot topic in new england is a rumor of the chiefs trading their 2nd round pick (35) and first in 2010 for Cassel which would make heads explode too. If the chiefs did that who would you then pick with the #3?
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[Sweet Daddy Hate]

This just in from KC Crow, a very reputable poster from across the hall.

Use as you will:

I've done some research for ya'll...
I have considered all QBs taken in the first 32 picks since 1990 (For consistency).
Pro Bowl selections were used as the criteria for "success" (in alignment with the stated study and for consistency even though I may not agree with this method).

Here is the data through the 2008 draft:
Of those, 15 were underclassmen and 28 were seniors for a total of 43 QBs.
Of the 15 underclassmen, 5 have been selected to the ProBowl (33%).
Of the 28 seniors, 10 have been selected to the ProBowl (36%).
Of all QBs (43), 15 have been selected to the ProBowl (35%).

Conclusion... Being an underclassmen doesn't mean you will be more or less successful in the NFL than a senior!

Here is teh data through the 2006 draft (to eliminate the "time will tell" players)
Of those, 14 were underclassmen and 26 were seniors for a total of 40 QBs.
Of the 14 underclassmen, 5 have been selected to the ProBowl (36%).
Of the 26 seniors, 10 have been selected to the ProBowl (38%).
Of all QBs (40), 15 have been selected to the ProBowl (38%).

Conclusion... It still doesn't matter!

Here is the data set:
Year - Pick - Underclassmen/Senior - Name - Pro Bowls - Success/Failure
1990 - 1 - U - Jeff George - 0 - F
1990 - 7 - U - Andre Ware - 0 - F
1991 - 16 - S - Dan McGwire - 0 - F
1991 - 24 - U - Todd Marinovich - 0 - F
1992 - 6 - S - David Klingler - 0 - F
1992 - 25 - U - Tommy Maddox - 0 - F
1993 - 1 - U - Drew Bledsoe - 4 - S
1993 - 2 - S - Rick Mirer - 0 - F
1994 - 3 - U - Heath Shuler - 0 - F
1994 - 6 - U - Trent Dilfer - 1 - S
1995 - 3 - S - Steve McNair - 1 - S
1995 - 5 - S - Kerry Collins - 2 - S
1997 - 26 - S - Jim Druckenmiller - 0 - F
1998 - 1 - S - Peyton Manning - 10 - S
1998 - 2 - U - Ryan Leaf - 0 - F
1999 - 1 - U - Tim Couch - 0 - F
1999 - 2 - S - Donovan McNabb - 4 - S
1999 - 3 - S - Akili Smith - 0 - F
1999 - 11 - S - Daunte Culpepper - 3 - S
1999 - 12 - S - Cade McNown - 0 - F
2000 - 18 - S - Chad Pennington - 0 - F
2001 - 1 - U - Michael Vick - 4 - S
2001 - 32 - S - Drew Brees - 4 - S
2002 - 1 - S - David Carr - 0 - F
2002 - 3 - S - Joey Harrington - 0 - F
2002 - 32 - S - Patrick Ramsey - 0 - F
2003 - 1 - S - Carson Palmer - 1 - S
2003 - 7 - S - Byron Leftwich - 0 - F
2003 - 19 - S - Kyle Boller - 0 - F
2003 - 22 - U - Rex Grossman - 0 - F
2004 - 1 - S - Eli Manning - 1 - S
2004 - 4 - S - Philip Rivers - 1 - S
2004 - 11 - U - Ben Roethlisberger - 1 - S
2004 - 22 - S - J.P. Losman - 0 - F
2005 - 1 - U - Alex Smith - 0 - F
2005 - 24 - S - Aaron Rodgers - 0 - F
2005 - 25 - S - Jason Campbell - 0 - F
2006 - 3 - U - Vince Young - 1 - S
2006 - 10 - S - Matt Leinart - 0 - F
2006 - 11 - S - Jay Cutler - 1 - S
2007 - 1 - U - JaMarcus Russel - 0 - F
2008 - 3 - S - Matt Ryan - 0 - F
2008 - 18 - S - Joe Flacco - 0 - F

[Rigodan]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Although I would enjoy it to see the #3 traded down just to hear the wailing and crying the hot topic in new england is a rumor of the chiefs trading their 2nd round pick (35) and first in 2010 for Cassel which would make heads explode too. If the chiefs did that who would you then pick with the #3?
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I trust Pioli enough not to make that terrible trade.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Although I would enjoy it to see the #3 traded down just to hear the wailing and crying the hot topic in new england is a rumor of the chiefs trading their 2nd round pick (35) and first in 2010 for Cassel which would make heads explode too. If the chiefs did that who would you then pick with the #3?
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That's asinine. If the Chiefs did that...there would be nobody at #3 worth taking. Nobody. That scenario WILL NOT happen.

[soundmind]

Originally Posted by Rigodan

I trust Pioli enough not to make that terrible trade.

Good lord I hope we can.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

And I can have an opinion about it too so **** you.

Your qb only crowd constantly insults those whose opinion differs but when you get a push back you act like you are being told you can't have an opinion. Its not an outragous thing to say that I do trust Pioli. The guy has helped build a champion. What has been won here?
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I think I see the problem here.

We aren't here telling everyone we know better than Pioli.
We are not in his position and don't have the access to players and film and all the resourses he has to work with.

We are here to offer our opinions on what we hope he does based on the limited information we have.

The problem is that you are to ****ing stupid to understand this.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by milkman

I think I see the problem here.

We aren't here telling everyone we know better than Pioli.
We are not in his position and don't have the access to players and film and all the resourses he has to work with.

We are here to offer our opinions on what we hope he does based on the limited information we have.

The problem is that you are to ****ing stupid to understand this.

I don't think he understands much of anything to be honest with you.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I didn't SAY Pioli doesn't think they have #3 value. I said if he didn't think they did he will and he should pick someone else.

Read much?
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Yeah and if he doesn't think a LB has #3 value he wont draft them #3. If he doesn't think drafting a LT or DT in the first round back to back years is good value he wont. If he doesn't think Crabtree is worth a #3 pick he wont draft him. God damn your a ****ing idiot. You never state your opinion, you just shut everyone elses down by saying "If Pioli this, If Pioli that." Your just shooting out common sense shit that everyone already knows. If you don't have your own opinion and you don't talk to Pioli then just shut the **** up.