NFL Draft Neither Stafford or Sanchez belong in top 10 - Page 28

**chiefforlife** · 02-21-2009, 09:39 AM

SOME DON’T VIEW STAFFORD, SANCHEZ AS TOP TEN PICKS
Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2009, 8:21 a.m.

Our initial mock draft of the year created plenty of consternation among folks who regard such matters even more importantly that some of our other readers regard their chosen religion.

And, yes, we were trying to make a point with the thing. At this stage, none of the draft experts (i.e., guys who couldn’t get or hold a scouting job with an NFL team and who instead tried to create a niche in the media for the stuff no NFL team would pay them to do) know with any degree of certainty what will occur on draft day.

Apart from the premature nature of prognosticating the events of late April is the fact that every NFL team makes its own decisions for its own reasons, especially in round one. Some draft based on need. Others take the best available player. And when 32 teams have different views on how those available players are ranked from best to worst, the stage is set for all sorts of screwy stuff.

We could have created even more consternation by dropping Georgia quarterback Matt Stafford and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez out of the top ten. In some war rooms, it’s an accurate view of the two players.

Said one source, “In other years those guys aren’t first-round picks. Stafford played well in 2007 but was horrible in 2008. He stunk in all their big games.”

The source specifically pointed to the contests against Alabama, Florida, and Tennessee. Based on the numbers, Stafford was bad against Florida, mediocre against Alabama, and decent against Tennessee.

“He is an average leader at best,” the source opined. “When you put a lot of pressure on him, he pees his pants. Detroit has a new front office, but if they take him then it’s the same old stuff. I guarantee that if he goes in the top 20 he will never play to the level he was drafted.

“What he has is physical skills,” the source added. “He has a strong arm and is athletic but he also has poor instincts and poor decision-making.”

Some might disagree with that assessment. But the point is that, when you’ve got a bunch of different folks assessing the same players, there will be significant variations from person to person.

“As far as Sanchez,” the source said, “he is a more solid choice. He played in a pro style offense. He’s accurate and has a good arm. He’s smart and a leader.

“The negative is he was a one-year starter. Tell me the last time a quarterback who was a one-year starter in college made it big in the NFL? Game time is huge with quarterbacks. Granted, from a money standpoint he made the right decision, but from the standpoint of having a top career, his decision has to be questioned.”

(And, no, our source isn’t Pete Carroll.)

So there you have it. Evidence of how the viewpoints on supposedly top players can diverge dramatically. It makes the process of predicting draft picks even more precarious. So, in the end, we think the final tally of players taken two months from now would presently seem every bit as goofy and unrealistic as some viewed our initial Pre-Combine Mock Draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

I damn gaurantee you if the draft were next week Pioli passes on Sanchez with the 3rd pick with what he saw today and takes Aaron Curry. Curry is far safer and Pioli's rep is on the line with making his 1st pick as the new Chiefs GM and you better not miss with the 3rd pick as a new GM. Sanchez at 'THIS' point is too risky for him IMO.

Matt Ryan was not that risky of a pick last yr because he started far more games and did not play behind a "stellar of a line" performing just as well as Sanchez did this yr. Ryan had it alot tougher IMO which showcased his metal being tested more and passing with flying colors. Sanchez has not had enough time to showcase this IMO.

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

the nfl.com's clips suck arse. They show guys running the 40 but not making throws.

Pat White clearly had the best day which gives you an idea of how bad the QB class is this year.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

No, there was nothing dire. He simply failed to live up to the hype. It happens. However, because he went into the combine as the #2 QB, he needed to be better than he was.

I think it's time to just torch this ****ing thread. You three are goddamned idiots.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-22-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yes, we should either draft a SAM Cover backer, a backup LT, or another defensive tackle.

8-8, you're our only hope

You're right. The Chiefs should just ignore all workouts and evaluations completely and draft a QB no matter what, because there's nobody else worth taking. They should definitely back in to the pick. That's a great idea. So if all the scouts, including the Chiefs', grade Sanchez as a #15 pick at best (hypothetically, of course), they should take him no matter what.

There are other options. If the Chiefs move to a 3-4, BJ Raji is not "another defensive tackle." He becomes the only player on the Chiefs' roster capable of playing nose tackle--the most important position on defense in a 3-4. If the Chiefs like Crabtree or Maclin enough, those are two players who play important positions under a coach who loves receivers. If you go to the school of "you can never have too many cornerbacks" argument, than Malcolm Jenkins also becomes an option.

All of a sudden, it doesn't sound so stupid to even consider trading out of the #3 pick anymore. Does it?

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

I damn gaurantee you if the draft were next week Pioli passes on Sanchez with the 3rd pick with what he saw today and takes Aaron Curry. Curry is far safer and Pioli's rep is on the line with making his 1st pick as the new Chiefs GM and you better not miss with the 3rd pick as a new GM. Sanchez at 'THIS' point is too risky for him IMO.

Matt Ryan was not that risky of a pick last yr because he started far more games and did not play behind a "stellar of a line" performing just as well as Sanchez did this yr. Ryan had it alot tougher IMO which showcased his metal being tested more and passing with flying colors. Sanchez has not had enough time to showcase this IMO.

Safe means nothing. Eliminate this from the lexicon.

If we just hired a GM who is interested in making the "safe" pick because of job security, we've been sold a bill of goods and all the success in NE was because of the Hoodie.

Mr. Laz · 02-22-2009, 09:12 PM

so many 'true fans' showing up ..........

and they aren't even Chiefs fans.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

No, we want ****ING INFORMATION. Jesus ****in' Christ with this guy...

Info? Just watch the combine and then see if you will want to spend your 1st rd pick "putting your beak around Sanchez's cock"?

Maybe just a bad day but no 1st rd performance that is for sure.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Info? Just watch the combine and then see if you will want to spend your 1st rd pick "putting your beak around Sanchez's cock"?

Maybe just a bad day but no 1st rd performance that is for sure.

And where do I "watch the combine at"?

chiefzilla1501 · 02-22-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Safe means nothing. Eliminate this from the lexicon.

If we just hired a GM who is interested in making the "safe" pick because of job security, we've been sold a bill of goods and all the success in NE was because of the Hoodie.

While that's true, given that most teams have taken a gamble on a first round QB the last 10 years, I don't think it's accurate to say that taking a quarterback in the first round is a risk (as I so often hear). It's a pretty conservative play, actually.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're right. The Chiefs should just ignore all workouts and evaluations completely and draft a QB no matter what, because there's nobody else worth taking. They should definitely back in to the pick. That's a great idea. So if all the scouts, including the Chiefs', grade Sanchez as a #15 pick at best (hypothetically, of course), they should take him no matter what.

There are other options. If the Chiefs move to a 3-4, BJ Raji is not "another defensive tackle." He becomes the only player on the Chiefs' roster capable of playing nose tackle--the most important position on defense in a 3-4. If the Chiefs like Crabtree or Maclin enough, those are two players who play important positions under a coach who loves receivers. If you go to the school of "you can never have too many cornerbacks" argument, than Malcolm Jenkins also becomes an option.

All of a sudden, it doesn't sound so stupid to even consider trading out of the #3 pick anymore. Does it?

Hell no it doesn't and quite frankly with only 7 picks and no surefire Franchise QB's sitting there I hope the hell Pioli trades down to acquire more picks either picking up another 1st or a couple of 2nds or 3rds.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Info? Just watch the combine and then see if you will want to spend your 1st rd pick "putting your beak around Sanchez's cock"?

Maybe just a bad day but no 1st rd performance that is for sure.

Pioli says that the combine is a part of the process, but that how they performed on the field in games is far more important in the evaluation process.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 09:17 PM

Hopefully Pioli will start shopping that 3rd pick by playing some good NFL Poker.

Mr. Laz · 02-22-2009, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

And where do I "watch the combine at"?

NFL Network FTW!!!!!!!11111

i have all the workouts taped ... they break them down by position and then show them all together

Just Passin' By · 02-22-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

I think it's time to just torch this ****ing thread. You three are goddamned idiots.

Look, dipshit, I wasn't putting the guy down. Sanchez wasn't horrible, but he needed to be better because of his perceived position. Because he wasn't, his performance is hurting his standing, be it by a little or a lot. As I've noted in other posts, this can be overcome by having a good pro day.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Hopefully Pioli will start shopping that 3rd pick by playing some good NFL Poker.

Just who the **** do you think is going to want to trade up, and who the hell do you think they will want to trade up for?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-22-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

NFL Network FTW!!!!!!!11111

i have all the workouts taped ... they break them down by position and then show them all together

I don't have a subscription to NFL Network.

Chiefshrink · 02-22-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

While that's true, given that most teams have taken a gamble on a first round QB the last 10 years, I don't think it's accurate to say that taking a quarterback in the first round is a risk (as I so often hear). It's a pretty conservative play, actually.

Akili,Alex, Joey, David, Tim etc..... do I go on? This last yr was a pleasant surprise for sure.

02-21-2009, 09:39 AM
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