If Curry is gone at the 3 spot...who do we take or what do we do?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I never wanted to dump Dorsey. Its Pioli and the Parcells gang that has a raging hard on for the shitty 3-4.

Why is it shitty? Almost every team that runs it is a top 10 defense.

What's dumber is refusing to change your scheme when there is only one key player on your roster who doesn't fit into it. The Chiefs are practically at square 1 on defense. If there was ever a time in their history to consider moving to a 3-4, last year would have been perfect, but this year is just as good. I like Dorsey, but sorry, a 3-4 defense is a ton easier to build than a 4-3 and it will be worth sacrificing that #5 pick that was wasted, assuming that he doesn't find a role in this defense.

[bdeg]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Why is it shitty? Almost every team that runs it is a top 10 defense.

What's dumber is refusing to change your scheme when there is only one key player on your roster who doesn't fit into it. The Chiefs are practically at square 1 on defense. If there was ever a time in their history to consider moving to a 3-4, last year would have been perfect, but this year is just as good. I like Dorsey, but sorry, a 3-4 defense is a ton easier to build than a 4-3 and it will be worth sacrificing that #5 pick that was wasted, assuming that he doesn't find a role in this defense.

Well said. I did not want to type all that out. Not only is it probably easier to build, the boss thinks it's better. One pick that hasn't proved anything isn't going to change his mind.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Why is it shitty? Almost every team that runs it is a top 10 defense.

What's dumber is refusing to change your scheme when there is only one key player on your roster who doesn't fit into it. The Chiefs are practically at square 1 on defense. If there was ever a time in their history to consider moving to a 3-4, last year would have been perfect, but this year is just as good. I like Dorsey, but sorry, a 3-4 defense is a ton easier to build than a 4-3 and it will be worth sacrificing that #5 pick that was wasted, assuming that he doesn't find a role in this defense.

This is completely false in every regard.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is completely false in every regard.

Sorry, pulled the trigger too quickly on the first point. But it does speak volumes that in spite of the fact that only 1/3 of the teams in the NFL run a 3-4, four of the top ten defenses are 3-4.

What's wrong about the second point? A 3-4 defense IS easier to build. If anything, the biggest obstacle is finding a nose tackle and a coach who can run it well. Finding LBs is significantly easier. Finding pass rushers is significantly easier because the defensive line does all the dirty work. Finding DEs is significantly easier because they're essentially DTs who don't have to worry too much about rushing the passer. You don't have to find versatile MLBS--you can just find role-playing LBs. This all points to the 3-4 being much easier to build.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Sorry, pulled the trigger too quickly on the first point. But it does speak volumes that in spite of the fact that only 1/3 of the teams in the NFL run a 3-4, four of the top ten defenses are 3-4.

What's wrong about the second point? A 3-4 defense IS easier to build. If anything, the biggest obstacle is finding a nose tackle and a coach who can run it well. Finding LBs is significantly easier. Finding pass rushers is significantly easier because the defensive line does all the dirty work. Finding DEs is significantly easier because they're essentially DTs who don't have to worry too much about rushing the passer. You don't have to find versatile MLBS--you can just find role-playing LBs. This all points to the 3-4 being much easier to build.

Do you realize that there are 5 good nose tackles in the entire league, at most?

Why the hell do you think Parcells took Jason Ferguson's ass from the Jets to the Cowboys to the Dolphins?

Here's the thing about the 3-4: You need two good rush backers (who can also cover the flats and tight ends), a sledgehammer MLB, a coverage MLB, a nose tackle (about as tough to find as a quarterback, and two ends that are 6'5" and 300 lbs.

Teams had a damned hard time finding this personnel when there were 5 teams running this scheme. What do you think it's going to be like when there are 12-15 teams and they don't get to monopolize talent, and people realize that you can steamroll a 3-4 without elite talent up front in the running game?