Chiefs A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. - Page 4

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 08:22 AM

Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4.

Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well.

Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT.

Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT.

Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in.

I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right.

DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays.

Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page.

The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine.

Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO.

I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up.

I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10.

He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick.

Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....

**DeezNutz** · 03-02-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

LOL. HOLY SHIT. WE'RE a TOP 10 D NOW??????

It's the natural progression from #31 and 10 ****ing sacks.

Demonpenz · 03-02-2009, 09:51 AM

it is going to take years to fix this D. As ususal some people don't want to give up on guys they know and got attachment too. The fact is Tamba and Derrick johnson suck

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Wow. An advocate for drafting a 3-4 MLBer in the top 3 equals epic fail.

Actuallly, it is ILB in a 3-4 which is different than an MLB.

BigChiefFan · 03-02-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Actuallly, it is ILB in a 3-4 which is different than an MLB.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Demonpenz

it is going to take years to fix this D. As ususal some people don't want to give up on guys they know and got attachment too. The fact is Tamba and Derrick johnson suck

Derrick Johnson needs to go. And, he will in due time. He will be more effective in the 3-4 because the defensive line will not be trying to get upfield, and DJ will see less blockers. He will be able to use his talent to play sideline to sideline. But, please don't think I am a fan of DJ. I didn't want them to draft him and I don't think he is any better today than I did then.

I dissagree on Hali. I think Hali will be very good, and will be one of the foundational pieces of the Chiefs defense.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 09:55 AM

If you believe in Derrick Johnson at all, which I personally don't, Curry isn't really who you should be picking since they'd play the same 3-4 position.

BigChiefFan · 03-02-2009, 09:59 AM

Yea, maybe you should tell us if he's the Mike candidate or the TED. Then once, you figure that out, then you can maybe look it up, that is NOT ADVISED to spend top money on either position.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-02-2009, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you believe in Derrick Johnson at all, which I personally don't, Curry isn't really who you should be picking since they'd play the same 3-4 position.

#1) I am not a DJ fan. Never have been. Understood 'why' the Chiefs took him, just never thought he would be a great player.

#2) DJ and Curry are NOT the same player. Curry is a solid tackler that sheds blocks and blows up plays. He is not a coverage linebacker that runs around blocks. He is also an emotional leader on the field.

#3) You need two ILB's. That is the meaning of 3-4, and BOTH have to be able to cover sideline to sideline.

Perhaps you don't understand the 3-4, but you can rush either OLB, and that shifts one ILB into a pseudo MLB role and one into a pseudo OLB role, depending on the formation and which OLB was rushed.

You need two guys that are good in coverage. You need two guys that can make plays all over the field.

That is why most ILB's are not as big as typical MLB's.

**Dave Lane** · 03-02-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

That would end with Todd Haley killing him on the sideline, oh shit bring him back I'd pay to see that.

I'd rep this if I wasn't out of rep

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:02 AM

If you put Curry and DJ up the middle of this 3-4 without a NT they are both going to die.

htismaqe · 03-02-2009, 10:08 AM

If the Chiefs take Curry, they're likely still going to need TWO OLB's, because he's an ILB in a 3-4. If they take him, so be it, but I really hope they don't expect him to play OLB in a 3-4.

Chief Faithful · 03-02-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

They do need another OLB, because Vrabel is on his last legs. They will need a DE because Boone has only a couple of years left.

As far as NT, they don't have the prototypical guy on the roster, BUT, teams often have to play without prototypical guys at ever position. And, I think Tank and Dorsey will be fine there.

Vrabel also can play inside so why not let Curry show if he can play outside first and if not then move him inside.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful

Vrabel also can play inside so why not let Curry show if he can play outside first and if not then move him inside.

He can't play outside in a 3-4, 3-4 OLBs are like athletic DE's he's not a pass rusher.

htismaqe · 03-02-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

#1) I am not a DJ fan. Never have been. Understood 'why' the Chiefs took him, just never thought he would be a great player.

#2) DJ and Curry are NOT the same player. Curry is a solid tackler that sheds blocks and blows up plays. He is not a coverage linebacker that runs around blocks. He is also an emotional leader on the field.

#3) You need two ILB's. That is the meaning of 3-4, and BOTH have to be able to cover sideline to sideline.

Perhaps you don't understand the 3-4, but you can rush either OLB, and that shifts one ILB into a pseudo MLB role and one into a pseudo OLB role, depending on the formation and which OLB was rushed.

You need two guys that are good in coverage. You need two guys that can make plays all over the field.

That is why most ILB's are not as big as typical MLB's.

Agree 100% on almost every account.

3-4 ILB's essentially need to be nickel backers. I think DJ and Curry are both suited, Curry perfectly so, to be 3-4 ILB's.

The problem is that we have the #3 overall pick. I've said it before, we picked the wrong year to go 2-14.

Mecca · 03-02-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If the Chiefs take Curry, they're likely still going to need TWO OLB's, because he's an ILB in a 3-4. If they take him, so be it, but I really hope they don't expect him to play OLB in a 3-4.

I still think if you wanted a ILB this bad you'd be better off moving and taking Maualuga who I personally feel is a much better fit for a 3-4.

03-02-2009, 08:22 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	A dash of Curry solidifies Chiefs defense. Obviously, the Chiefs are going to the 3-4. Lets look at the Defensive line first. The Chiefs have a couple of guys in Boone and McBride that are DE/DT hybrids. They will be able to play DE in the 3-4. McBride has focused on staying slim while in the NFL becuse he was playing end in the 4-3. He will be allowed to Bulk up. Boone is a heck of a fit in the 3-4 as well. Dorsey often tied up two blockers last year. He will also be allowed to go inside and outside. Perhaps not the prototypical NT... but a guy who has flexibility and will be better at NT than some in here realize. In college, he was asked to merely hold the line of scrimage. He wasn't asked to get upfield. In the 3-4, it will be very similar whether he plays end or NT. Tank will play the nose exclusively, which should be a good fit on run downs. We also still have Ron Edwards, who is a big body that can rotate in at NT. Now, linebacker, the OLB's are Hali and Vrabel. Hali should get double digit sacks this year with the switch to the 3-4. He won't be on the line every down which should keep the wear and tear on his body down a bit. It will allow him to be in space, which he plays well in. I know that some don't think he is fast enough. I think those guys are foolish, but then again, they think I am foolish for thinking he will be a great fit. The great thing is that we will get to see this year who is right. DJ will move inside. This will help DJ's game. The defensive line for the 3-4 isn't trying to get upfield. They are merely trying to hold the line of scrimage. This will allow DJ to play sideline to sideline and make more plays. Now, the secondary was pretty good last year. Bernard Pollard will be allowed to play inside the box more and Page will be more of a traditional safety. Morgan is the x factor here because he has more ranged than Pollard and is a better tackler than Page. The Chiefs starting corners are pretty solid with Carr and Flowers. With the additional pass rush that the Chiefs should be getting, I expect that these guys will do just fine. Now, comes the spice of the defense.... Curry. Curry is an absolute beast that will roam the middle of the field and make tackle after tackle. Curry is good in coverage, and will be able to rush the passer from the middle of the field on blitz's. This will allow him to be more effective rushing the passer. Inside blitzes are effective because of the speed of the blitzer and a lane created by the outside rush. Curry is fast enough, that he will be able to disquise the blitzes very well and won't have to be close to the line of scrimage to be effective. Curry is the best fit for this team at #3, and will make the biggest impact of any player the Chiefs can draft IMO. I know I will get flamed for this. I know that some think that McBride, Hali and Dorsey are busts. I think that they are players in the Patriots mold. Guys who love the game, who are smart and who never give up. I hope that Curry somehow falls to the Chiefs, because if he does, the Chiefs will have a defense that will be at least top half of the league next year, if not top 10. He is a dynamic leader on defense, and I think the next Ray Lewis. As such, I think he is worth the #3 pick. Now, flame away. After having the Chiefs effectively remove the option of drafting the dirty Sanchez.... nothing can bring me down....
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htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8099900	If the Chiefs take Curry, they're likely still going to need TWO OLB's, because he's an ILB in a 3-4. If they take him, so be it, but I really hope they don't expect him to play OLB in a 3-4.
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