KU USA Today Poll March 2nd

POND_OF_RED · 03-02-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

(IMHO) considering the only reason they were ranked that high was because of the first win over KU, it seems they'd get punished heavily for not being able to back it up.

Pretty sure they have a similar resume to Kansas. Exact same record. Few quality wins and one horrible loss. Just because they had a shitty half doesn't mean they aren't a top 15 team.

**Old Dog** · 03-02-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Pretty sure they have a similar resume to Kansas. Exact same record. Few quality wins and one horrible loss. Just because they had a shitty half doesn't mean they aren't a top 15 team.

MU = 4 wins vs top 50 RPI
KU = 8 wins vs top 50 RPI

KU = 1 loss to RPI lower than 50
MU = 2 losses to RPI lower than 50

MU = 9 wins over teams with RPI over 200
KU = 6 wins over teams with RPI over 200

I still think they're top 15ish though

*I'm a KSU fan so I'm not really into ya'lls pissing contest if it turns into such.

**Lzen** · 03-02-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

MU = 4 wins vs top 50 RPI
KU = 8 wins vs top 50 RPI

KU = 1 loss to RPI lower than 50
MU = 2 losses to RPI lower than 50

MU = 9 wins over teams with RPI over 200
KU = 6 wins over teams with RPI over 200

I still think they're top 15ish though

*I'm a KSU fan so I'm not really into ya'lls pissing contest if it turns into such.

Nice factual post.

Pablo · 03-02-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

MU = 4 wins vs top 50 RPI
KU = 8 wins vs top 50 RPI

KU = 1 loss to RPI lower than 50
MU = 2 losses to RPI lower than 50

MU = 9 wins over teams with RPI over 200
KU = 6 wins over teams with RPI over 200

I still think they're top 15ish though

*I'm a KSU fan so I'm not really into ya'lls pissing contest if it turns into such.

Works for me.

POND_OF_RED · 03-02-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

MU = 4 wins vs top 50 RPI
KU = 8 wins vs top 50 RPI

KU = 1 loss to RPI lower than 50
MU = 2 losses to RPI lower than 50

MU = 9 wins over teams with RPI over 200
KU = 6 wins over teams with RPI over 200

I still think they're top 15ish though

*I'm a KSU fan so I'm not really into ya'lls pissing contest if it turns into such.

Exactly. Considering that 3 of the 4 more top 50 wins they have are Tenn Siena and a Griffinless Oklahoma I would say the resumes are very similar.

**Old Dog** · 03-02-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Exactly. Considering that 3 of the 4 more top 50 wins they have are Tenn Siena and a Griffinless Oklahoma I would say the resumes are very similar.

Tennessee and Siena are currently in the top 30 in RPI and pretty much "locks" to get into the tournament. Don't understand your reasoning there.

POND_OF_RED · 03-02-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by truebigdog

Tennessee and Siena are currently in the top 30 in RPI and pretty much "locks" to get into the tournament. Don't understand your reasoning there.

So you really consider a 10 loss SEC team to be a quality victory this year? I was saying MU and KU have the same amount of true quality wins. KU has MU and MU has KU. If you want you could maybe throw in Tex for MU and OU for KU but both teams have not played an extremely tough schedule. MU has a couple losses to bubble teams not playing so well late and KU has a loss against a team out of the tournament in Oct. You guys can toot your own horn as much as you like but both teams have the same looking resumes this year.

**Lzen** · 03-02-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

So you really consider a 10 loss SEC team to be a quality victory this year? I was saying MU and KU have the same amount of true quality wins. KU has MU and MU has KU. If you want you could maybe throw in Tex for MU and OU for KU but both teams have not played an extremely tough schedule. MU has a couple losses to bubble teams not playing so well late and KU has a loss against a team out of the tournament in Oct. You guys can toot your own horn as much as you like but both teams have the same looking resumes this year.

Good Lord, you are, in fact, reeruned. KU's SOS (that's strength of schedule) is #14 according to the RPI. MU's is #54.

POND_OF_RED · 03-02-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Good Lord, you are, in fact, reeruned. KU's SOS (that's strength of schedule) is #14 according to the RPI. MU's is #54.

Those will even out tremendously after this week. KU plays #135 and #38 this week while MU will play #5 and #35. Also you played OU while they were #3 I believe but that team was not really a #3.

**Bearcat** · 03-02-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

So you really consider a 10 loss SEC team to be a quality victory this year? I was saying MU and KU have the same amount of true quality wins. KU has MU and MU has KU. If you want you could maybe throw in Tex for MU and OU for KU but both teams have not played an extremely tough schedule. MU has a couple losses to bubble teams not playing so well late and KU has a loss against a team out of the tournament in Oct. You guys can toot your own horn as much as you like but both teams have the same looking resumes this year.

It looks different to me... You can rationalize away Kansas wins and talk about the one loss to the 100+, but the numbers say Kansas has played 5 more games against the top 50 than Missouri, and they've won 4 of them. Kansas is 13-4 against the top 75 and Missouri is 8-5.

We can argue all day about who would win a 7 game series on a neutral court in Switzerland, but the resumes aren't the same. "Yeah, but..." isn't going to push Kansas down or Missouri up to the same line in the tournament (and FWIW, in this week's Bracketology, Kansas is on the 2 line and Missouri is on the 4 line.... the resumes aren't the same).



RPI 1-25      26-50     51-75  76-100     101-200     201+ 

     4-3       4-1      5-0      0-0         5-1       6-0



RPI 1-25      26-50     51-75  76-100     101-200     201+ 

     1-3       3-0      4-2      0-0         6-0        9-0

joesomebody · 03-02-2009, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

It looks different to me... You can rationalize away Kansas wins and talk about the one loss to the 100+, but the numbers say Kansas has played 5 more games against the top 50 than Missouri, and they've won 4 of them. Kansas is 13-4 against the top 75 and Missouri is 8-5.

We can argue all day about who would win a 7 game series on a neutral court in Switzerland, but the resumes aren't the same. "Yeah, but..." isn't going to push Kansas down or Missouri up to the same line in the tournament (and FWIW, in this week's Bracketology, Kansas is on the 2 line and Missouri is on the 4 line.... the resumes aren't the same).

RPI 1-25 26-50 51-75 76-100 101-200 201+
4-3 4-1 5-0 0-0 5-1 6-0

RPI 1-25 26-50 51-75 76-100 101-200 201+
1-3 3-0 4-2 0-0 6-0 9-0

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I don't see any MU fans complaining about the rankings, and if they are it is foolish. I think it is an accurate depiction of where the two teams are right now. I'm hoping Mizzou can put on a good show against OU, and maybe even pull out the win. I doubt it, but that would be a nice cap on the regular season to get that nasty loss in beakerville out of our minds.

Kansas's win over Mizzou at AFH was impressive. MU is not ready to play on that stage, luckily we have some important games left to get some of the experience we will need to play in the NCAA tourney.

As a Mizzou fan, I'm just happy to see Mizzou anywhere near the top 25. A 4 seed in the tourney is far more than even the most optimistic Mizzou fan could have dreamed of coming into this season.

Kansas is young and inexperienced, but they are performing very well down the strecth in some hostile environments to boot. You guys are going to be a force to be reckoned with next year, and no slouch this year either.

May KU crash and burn in an epic fashion in the tourney though

**Lzen** · 03-02-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Exactly. Considering that 3 of the 4 more top 50 wins they have are Tenn Siena and a Griffinless Oklahoma I would say the resumes are very similar.

Dude, are you reeruned? Siena is ranked #29 in the RPI. Yeah, Oklahoma was without Griffin. Still a very, very tough team. Especially at their place. Tennesse is another very good team.

And let's not for get that MU had 50% more of their wins against teams that were over 200 RPI.

Yeah, that's similar.

kstater · 03-02-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Dude, are you reeruned? Siena is ranked #29 in the RPI. Yeah, Oklahoma was without Griffin. Still a very, very tough team. Especially at their place. Tennesse is another very good team.

And let's not for get that MU had 50% more of their wins against teams that were over 200 RPI.

Yeah, that's similar.

This is why I think the RPI is overused and overrated. Yeah Siena has a good RPI. But if you actually look at that team, they didn't actually beat any of those tough teams. Siena's best win is Buffalo. They had a very brutal non-con schedule, but didn't actuall win any of those games.