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SenselessChiefsFan · 03-03-2009, 07:35 AM

I read in Gretz's column this morning that the Chiefs are trying to prevent all the fans from thinking that Cassel is the second coming of Len Dawson. He went on to say that it was impossible, because Chiefs fans already think that.

I am wondering who? Who really thinks that? I like the move because it gives us a good prospect for a second round pick. I like the move because I feel like Cassel is at the very least, a John Kitna type QB who can manage the game. That is a nice 'starting' point. It solidifies the position. They aren't under any pressure to draft a guy early to try to 'solve' a problem. Now, they can draft guys late at the QB position in hopes of developing them down the road.

I don't even look at Cassel as the absolute starter on opening day. Yes, I think it is likely that happens. However, if Thigpen takes a big step forward, and Cassel doesn't look great, then Thigpen 'could' be the guy.

In other words, I don't think that Cassel is the next Len Dawson. I 'hope' Cassel is the next Len Dawson. I think Cassel is still ascending in his career.

Heck, I hope that Cassel is the next Trent Green. Seriously, if Cassel can be as effective in this system as Green was in Saunder's system... then the Chiefs made a great move. Especially considering that Cassel would be able to play for a decade here, or nearly twice as long as Trent Green.

Anyways, I don't get the sense that the Chiefs fans think this guy is the next Len Dawson. Am I wrong? Do you think he is the next Len Dawson?

**jAZ** · 03-03-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Heck, I'd be pleased as punch if he's the second coming of Trent Green.

That's what people expect he will be. Now if Trent had won a Super Bowl... ? But he didn't even get a win in the playoffs.

htismaqe · 03-03-2009, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Based on his one year as a starter I think Cassel is good enough to be a systems QB that can get KC into the playoffs and win a game or two.

That might just be his FLOOR, too.

He's still developing. Like I've said before, it's really the best of both worlds.

He's semi-established and can run an NFL offense. But he's 26 and still learning.

htismaqe · 03-03-2009, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

I think either him or Thigpen can be. Thigpen would have had a MUCH better season last year had we put out an actual defense.

A good defense isn't going to help Thigpen be more accurate or learn to take snaps from a traditional formation.

The guy has GLARING flaws in his game that have everything to do with HIM, not his line, his receivers, his defense, or his coaches.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-03-2009, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by jAZ

That's what people expect he will be. Now if Trent had won a Super Bowl... ? But he didn't even get a win in the playoffs.

They're really aiming high, aren't they?

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-03-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

They're really aiming high, aren't they?

Few could logically say that Green was the reason the Chiefs didn't win a Super Bowl.

All the Stafford and Sanchez over Curry Arguments were based on if Sanchez or Stafford were just 'top 10' QB's in the NFL, then they are worth more than the best linebacker in the NFL.

Trent Green was top ten in four of the five years he started a full season. He was probably top five in those for years, but easily top ten.

Pioli Zombie · 03-03-2009, 10:50 AM

Like I've asked before and was never answered. Did Trent Green keep the Chiefs from winning the Super Bowl in 2003?

No. That offense was championship caliber. The defense sucked. If that D could have stopped ANYTHING the Chiefs would have beaten the Colts and most likely could have gone all the way and everyone here would be hailing Trent Green as a 4,000 yard Super Bowl Champion.
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boogblaster · 03-03-2009, 10:59 AM

Green had a great Oline ... Lenny had a great team ... Cassel will need a great team too ... Things have changed you have to have both O and D to compete ...

Pioli Zombie · 03-03-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by boogblaster

Green had a great Oline ... Lenny had a great team ... Cassel will need a great team too ... Things have changed you have to have both O and D to compete ...

Point being there is no basis to bashing Green as a guy couldn't win a sb. He would have had he had a defense.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 03-03-2009, 11:09 AM

Can we talk about something more interesting than Trent Green, say...feminine hygiene products?

ChiefsCountry · 03-03-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Like I've asked before and was never answered. Did Trent Green keep the Chiefs from winning the Super Bowl in 2003?

No. That offense was championship caliber. The defense sucked. If that D could have stopped ANYTHING the Chiefs would have beaten the Colts and most likely could have gone all the way and everyone here would be hailing Trent Green as a 4,000 yard Super Bowl Champion.
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Patriots would have bitch slapped that team in Foxboro even if we had beaten the Colts.

beach tribe · 03-03-2009, 12:09 PM

I would JIMP if he was as effective as green. We're gonna have to have a lot more O-linemen if we expect that to happen.

beach tribe · 03-03-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Patriots would have bitch slapped that team in Foxboro even if we had beaten the Colts.

I bet that team would have dropped 28 on their ass though.

58kcfan89 · 03-03-2009, 12:11 PM

How about we just let Cassel be the first Matt Cassel? There won't ever be another Derrick Thomas or Len Dawson, so why can't we move forward with the guys we have now? I'm not asking you to forget our past greats, but why does Cassel have to be the "next" anybody?

**DeezNutz** · 03-03-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That might just be his FLOOR, too.

He's still developing. Like I've said before, it's really the best of both worlds.

He's semi-established and can run an NFL offense. But he's 26 and still learning.

I need some of this optimism. I see Cassel, who will be 27 in May, as Trent Green, at best. And though one could do far worse, I'm ready for a "franchise" guy and not another "system" guy. Someone whose play doesn't drastically fall off when his line is no longer other-worldly.

Hope I'm wrong about Cassel.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

A good defense isn't going to help Thigpen be more accurate or learn to take snaps from a traditional formation.

The guy has GLARING flaws in his game that have everything to do with HIM, not his line, his receivers, his defense, or his coaches.

Couldn't agree more.

The best thing that could happen for Thigpen would be for people to stop talking about him. Stay off the radar and work on trying to develop because he needs A LOT of work at this point.

beach tribe · 03-03-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 58kcfan89

How about we just let Cassel be the first Matt Cassel? There won't ever be another Derrick Thomas or Len Dawson, so why can't we move forward with the guys we have now? I'm not asking you to forget our past greats, but why does Cassel have to be the "next" anybody?

I agree, but everybody is always the next somebody, because somebody is always going to compare somebody to somebody, and everybody to everybody, but you don't have to be that somebody, who compares somebody to everybody. Got It?

03-03-2009, 07:35 AM
SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Who thinks Cassel is the next Len Dawson? I read in Gretz's column this morning that the Chiefs are trying to prevent all the fans from thinking that Cassel is the second coming of Len Dawson. He went on to say that it was impossible, because Chiefs fans already think that. I am wondering who? Who really thinks that? I like the move because it gives us a good prospect for a second round pick. I like the move because I feel like Cassel is at the very least, a John Kitna type QB who can manage the game. That is a nice 'starting' point. It solidifies the position. They aren't under any pressure to draft a guy early to try to 'solve' a problem. Now, they can draft guys late at the QB position in hopes of developing them down the road. I don't even look at Cassel as the absolute starter on opening day. Yes, I think it is likely that happens. However, if Thigpen takes a big step forward, and Cassel doesn't look great, then Thigpen 'could' be the guy. In other words, I don't think that Cassel is the next Len Dawson. I 'hope' Cassel is the next Len Dawson. I think Cassel is still ascending in his career. Heck, I hope that Cassel is the next Trent Green. Seriously, if Cassel can be as effective in this system as Green was in Saunder's system... then the Chiefs made a great move. Especially considering that Cassel would be able to play for a decade here, or nearly twice as long as Trent Green. Anyways, I don't get the sense that the Chiefs fans think this guy is the next Len Dawson. Am I wrong? Do you think he is the next Len Dawson?
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Pioli Zombie Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: olathe,kansas Casino cash: $10004900	Like I've asked before and was never answered. Did Trent Green keep the Chiefs from winning the Super Bowl in 2003? No. That offense was championship caliber. The defense sucked. If that D could have stopped ANYTHING the Chiefs would have beaten the Colts and most likely could have gone all the way and everyone here would be hailing Trent Green as a 4,000 yard Super Bowl Champion. Posted via Mobile Device
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03-03-2009, 12:11 PM	#58
58kcfan89 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Casino cash: $9653187	How about we just let Cassel be the first Matt Cassel? There won't ever be another Derrick Thomas or Len Dawson, so why can't we move forward with the guys we have now? I'm not asking you to forget our past greats, but why does Cassel have to be the "next" anybody?
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