Chiefs I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. - Page 4

Chris Meck · 03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Wow. Underrated?

Hardly. The guy ****ing sucks and was a terrible first-round selection. You want something more than a rotational player at this draft slot.

He led the team in sacks two years ago. He had eight sacks the year before last.

He struggled last year. Why? Well, I think there were a ton of reasons. #1) He switched positions. #2) He was injured a good part of the year and didn't take time off to let it heal like he should have. #3) The Chiefs didn't have a threat on the other side at all and the QB could just roll away from him.

Hali isn't Jared Allen. He isn't a Hall of Famer. But, he is a legit starter on most teams in the NFL.

Even if he doesn't fit here as an OLB, he will be a full time starter at DE here or somewhere else.

I think you are misguided about Hali.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yup. The only guy that keeps you from running a 3-4 is dorsey.

Jesus Christ you moron. Normally I don't attack people but you will not stop with your endless stream of ****ing stupid football opinions.

The front seven is DEVOID OF ****ING TALENT.

WAKE THE **** UP.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

It will allow him to use his speed and athleticsm.

HALI DOES NOT HAVE SPEED YOU ****WIT

JESUS CHRIST

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Alfonso Boone is a fossil and Mcbride sucks

Alfonso Boone is on the tail end of his career, but still has a few good years left.

McBride fits best as an undertackle in the 4-3, or a DE in the 3-4. He was playing as a 4-3 DE.

Guys don't look their best playing out of position.

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 01:04 PM

No Claythan we should keep the Cover 2 scheme a few more years to see if Dorsey is a bust or not

crazycoffey · 03-06-2009, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Hali can play linebacker!1!

he's starting in my Madden as our LOLB, Vrabel is our ROLB, DJ and a draft pick in the middle. Hali's got two sacks in two games. So that means it could happen....

Blick · 03-06-2009, 01:05 PM

Hali isn't THAT bad. I think he'll be better than people think in the 3-4.

He won't get dominated in the run game as much because there are 5 guys at the LOS instead of 4, and the 3 down linemen will be bigger, space eater type guys.

If our LB's can actually diagnose plays and fill their gaps this year, then I think our run defense should be a lot better because we'll have essentially 5 D-linemen at the LOS.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

HALI DOES NOT HAVE SPEED YOU ****WIT

JESUS CHRIST

He ran a similar 40 time to Suggs. Oh, AND he ran the 20 yard shuttle in 4.31 seconds. That is a stout time in that drill. It shows his quickness and initial burst.

bdeg · 03-06-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Alfonso Boone is a fossil and Mcbride sucks

McBride plays the run well and that's all he'd be asked to do.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

He ran a similar 40 time to Suggs.

I don't give a shit about 40 times.

Watch a game some time. Hali gets outrun by quarterbacks.

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

McBride plays the run well and that's all he'd be asked to do.

He's a 2nd round bust, Hali is a 1st round bust, Pollard is a 2nd round bust. Hmm there seems to be a theme.

Do you all think Tank Tyler will be good in the 3-4 too?

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:08 PM

I want Pioli to cut all these ****ing wastes of space just to shut the reeruns on this board up.

WHY AM I SO ANGRY?

bdeg · 03-06-2009, 01:08 PM

Tell me why Turk will be so bad as a 3-4 end.

Pollard I wouldn't label a bust yet either. He had a rocky start but has improved. He was picked too high, though.

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Tell me why Turk will be so bad as a 3-4 end.

He's slow & stupid. Thats not the Patriot way

Blick · 03-06-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Do you all think Tank Tyler will be good in the 3-4 too?

He has the strength to be a solid rotational nose tackle.

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1425090	I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. I really don't think we're going to a 3-4. I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him. We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot. We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky. We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for. We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby. I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any. I think people are grasping at straws.
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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-1222442	No Claythan we should keep the Cover 2 scheme a few more years to see if Dorsey is a bust or not
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Blick Veteran Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South KC Casino cash: $10004900	Hali isn't THAT bad. I think he'll be better than people think in the 3-4. He won't get dominated in the run game as much because there are 5 guys at the LOS instead of 4, and the 3 down linemen will be bigger, space eater type guys. If our LB's can actually diagnose plays and fill their gaps this year, then I think our run defense should be a lot better because we'll have essentially 5 D-linemen at the LOS.
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bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Tell me why Turk will be so bad as a 3-4 end. Pollard I wouldn't label a bust yet either. He had a rocky start but has improved. He was picked too high, though.
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