Chiefs I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. - Page 6

Chris Meck · 03-06-2009, 12:04 PM

I really don't think we're going to a 3-4.

I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him.

We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot.

We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky.

We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for.

We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby.

I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any.

I think people are grasping at straws.

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 01:19 PM

Hmm most of the Giants D-linemen play more then 1 positon and do good at it

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

He's played 3 spots on the line.

Is he a cornerback? Jesus Christ.

"okay" picks don't suck at tackling

I think you're the dumbest fan on this board.

Wow, someone who I think is clueless, who has obviously never played or coached football, thinks that I am the dumbest fan on this board.

Oh, however will I sleep tonight.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Wow, someone who I think is clueless, who has obviously never played or coached football, thinks that I am the dumbest fan on this board.

Oh, however will I sleep tonight.

Tell you what disphit.

If Hali is the opening-day starter at outside linebacker this year, I'll sign off the board for a month.

If Hali isn't, you sign off for a month.

Deal?

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 01:21 PM

Sensiblechiefsfan do you think Herm was good at drafting?

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Undersized and not that strong.

Erroneous on both accounts. Maybe height-wise, he's an inch shorter than what you'd want out of a DE, but undersized? He's about 280, which is fine for a DE in a 3-4. It's not that far off from Keisel in Pittsburgh (285) or Trevor Pryce in Baltimore (290). As for strength, he put up 27 reps on the bench in the combine and was always moving blockers in a DE role. His weakness is that he's not particularly fast and he was always a bit of a tweener between DE and DT. That's fine for the DE position.

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Thinking about playing Hali at OLB is suicidal. A colossal disaster waiting to happen.

1. I agree that Hali was out of position to begin the season. No question about this.
2. The quarterback rolling away from Hali had little to do with his lack of production. He was manhandled the entire season, no matter run or pass.
3. If he starts to look like an ascending player and we learn his struggles were indeed due to injury, I'll eat my appropriate serving of crow. I won't be hard to find and I won't dodge the abuse.

I think Hali struggles because he lacks the necessary explosion, overall speed, strength, etc. In short, he's a max-effort guy who lacks the type of elite athleticism necessary to be an impact player.

I give him credit for being an NFL player, just not one you'd be happy having drafted in round 1.

Well, I have went on record as saying that Hali will be a good player as an OLB in the 3-4.

I will have to take far more abuse than you if I am wrong, because I am clearly in the minority on here about my assessment of Hali.

I am okay with that. It makes it fun. I don't like to just go along with the crowd. I like to post stuff that I think that is contrary to the crowd.

So, that obviously leaves me open for criticism when I am wrong. And, of course I will be wrong... who isn't?

chiefzilla1501 · 03-06-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If you have to keep trying to move a guy, you have two options:

1. The coaches are dumb as ****.
2. Player doesn't have a position. A suck shit tweener.

In McBride's case, I vote for all of the above.

McBride didn't do poorly at all last year. I don't know why people think that. He had 41 tackles in 9 games, which is very solid for a DE. When the run came to his side, he usually did his job. As a pass rusher, he did not do that great, but again, not all DEs are there to be 10-sack guys. And in a 3-4, he won't be asked to be a primary rusher, so he can start playing more to his strengths.

crazycoffey · 03-06-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Tell you what disphit.

If Hali is the opening-day starter at outside linebacker this year, I'll sign off the board for a month.

If Hali isn't, you sign off for a month.

Deal?

have you got laid yet?

bdeg · 03-06-2009, 01:27 PM

Gimme a break, he was bounced around because the defensive line was so full of holes. His best fit was at undertackle and he was never given a chance to learn the position. He never should have been a DE in that scheme, and his best fit is in a 3-4. I just think he's better than what we've seen.

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I like to post stuff that I think that is contrary to the crowd.

Yes, even when it means ignoring common ****ing sense.

You aren't "sensiblechiefsfan." You're "reerunedchiefsfan."

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Tell you what disphit.

If Hali is the opening-day starter at outside linebacker this year, I'll sign off the board for a month.

If Hali isn't, you sign off for a month.

Deal?

No Deal. Too many variables. What if there is an injury? What if they run a hybrid defense?

Whoever is on the field for the first defensive snap would be considered the 'starters'.

I will be happy to sign off forever if Hali is cut this season. I think he fits what the Chiefs want perfectly. If they decide to play him as a 3-4 DE, I would be somewhat surprised, but I am sure they will find someplace to play this guy.

Titty Meat · 03-06-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg

Gimme a break, he was bounced around because the defensive line was so full of holes. His best fit was at undertackle and he was never given a chance to learn the position. He never should have been a DE in that scheme, and his best fit is in a 3-4. I just think he's better than what we've seen.

Justin Tuck bounced around too and hes a good player. Your making up excuses for Mcbride you can't cover up medicority. Mcbride sucks, Hali sucks, Tyler sucks, The whole D-line sucks. This is like when the fans said the only reason Gunther sucked was because he didn't have his own coaches

SenselessChiefsFan · 03-06-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Claythan

Yes, even when it means ignoring common ****ing sense.

You aren't "sensiblechiefsfan." You're "reerunedchiefsfan."

My goodness, you didn't even know that Gailey was in line to be OC in Denver before the Chiefs scooped him up. I don't exactly consider you 'informed'.

The funny part is that you feel it necessary to take shots. Why? Do you think you can intimidate me from my opion by lobbing insults my way?

Keep flaming me, it isn't going to change my opinion.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. I have been before, and I will be again. I call it like I see it. Time will tell who is right.

I just don't think the talent 'sucks' as much as most on this board does.

**DeezNutz** · 03-06-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Well, I have went on record as saying that Hali will be a good player as an OLB in the 3-4.

I will have to take far more abuse than you if I am wrong, because I am clearly in the minority on here about my assessment of Hali.

I am okay with that. It makes it fun. I don't like to just go along with the crowd. I like to post stuff that I think that is contrary to the crowd.

So, that obviously leaves me open for criticism when I am wrong. And, of course I will be wrong... who isn't?

You take a lot of shit, and I give you credit for sticking to your opinions (no matter how "insensible" I might think them

).

Hammock Parties · 03-06-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I don't exactly consider you 'informed'.

I don't exactly consider you "sane."

You going to take my bet or not?

03-06-2009, 12:04 PM
Chris Meck MVP Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC Casino cash: $-1445090	I think all the 3-4 talk is hooey. I really don't think we're going to a 3-4. I think Vrabel's position here is a passing down rush end. At this point in his career, it's a smart way to use him. We don't have a NT. We just don't. We didn't make a play for any of the guys in FA that fit that spot. We don't really have 3-4 ends. If we were really going to do this, I think we'd have at least looked at Olshansky. We would basically be wasting last year's #5 overall pick. Also a waste of Hali. So we waste 50% of our last 4 first round picks to switch to a defense we have basically NO personnel for. We're short at least 1 starting OLB for a 3-4, and really would need another player that could take a lot of snaps as Vrabel is going to need a breather at this stage of his career. Didn't even look at Dansby. I don't buy it. What's the upside? I don't see any. I think people are grasping at straws.
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bdeg Veteran Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Gimme a break, he was bounced around because the defensive line was so full of holes. His best fit was at undertackle and he was never given a chance to learn the position. He never should have been a DE in that scheme, and his best fit is in a 3-4. I just think he's better than what we've seen.
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