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Old 03-17-2009, 07:31 AM   #1
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Ahhh... I forgot about Jake's "it factor" at the end of games. That's why everyone warmly embraced him. Jake finally started winning when a team was built around him, he didn't always have that in AZ.

But, it's fun to read the stories of great Jake from you guys now.
I never said Jake was great just that he had that QB moxy. Also Jake took the really shitty Cardinals to the playoffs in his second year something that Jay never did with a much better team in the Broncos.

Just saying...
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Old 03-17-2009, 07:56 AM   #2
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I never said Jake was great just that he had that QB moxy. Also Jake took the really shitty Cardinals to the playoffs in his second year something that Jay never did with a much better team in the Broncos.

Just saying...
Jake certainly had moxy, I liked that about him. Well, we can compare these 2 forever if you like... and compare the playoff team that Jake had to last year's Broncos, but not sure what that proves. Jay has a nice future, but the team hasn't delivered, so he takes the hit. I get it.

If the Denver defense hadn't crapped their pants against SD in the final week (52 points)... Jay would have a playoff appearance. He's not without fault, but they gave up 112 points in the final 3 games... down the stretch, they lost at home to the Raiders and Bills - just sad. Jay has his share of the blame, but not all of it.
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Old 03-17-2009, 08:07 AM   #3
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Jake certainly had moxy, I liked that about him. Well, we can compare these 2 forever if you like... and compare the playoff team that Jake had to last year's Broncos, but not sure what that proves. Jay has a nice future, but the team hasn't delivered, so he takes the hit. I get it.

If the Denver defense hadn't crapped their pants against SD in the final week (52 points)... Jay would have a playoff appearance. He's not without fault, but they gave up 112 points in the final 3 games... down the stretch, they lost at home to the Raiders and Bills - just sad. Jay has his share of the blame, but not all of it.
Cutler's problem is that she's letting her agent and her vagina do the talking. Plummer and Griese had the misfortune of following Elway and his walk-off Super Bowls, so "good enough" wasn't good enough. Cutler gets a pass because she can throw the ball far, but what good is that if she's going to have Midol moments everytime things don't go her way?
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Old 03-17-2009, 08:16 AM   #4
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Jake certainly had moxy, I liked that about him. Well, we can compare these 2 forever if you like... and compare the playoff team that Jake had to last year's Broncos, but not sure what that proves. Jay has a nice future, but the team hasn't delivered, so he takes the hit. I get it.

If the Denver defense hadn't crapped their pants against SD in the final week (52 points)... Jay would have a playoff appearance. He's not without fault, but they gave up 112 points in the final 3 games... down the stretch, they lost at home to the Raiders and Bills - just sad. Jay has his share of the blame, but not all of it.
That's fair I am just curious if playing in John Elway's shadow is too much pressure for any QB in Denver.

They all seem to lose their minds at some point.
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Old 03-17-2009, 08:31 AM   #5
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That's fair I am just curious if playing in John Elway's shadow is too much pressure for any QB in Denver.

They all seem to lose their minds at some point.
I'm sure it has to suck and personally, I think enough time has passed that it shouldn't be as big of a mental thing as it once was. I don't believe this issue has anything to do with the shadow.
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Old 03-17-2009, 08:40 AM   #6
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I'm sure it has to suck and personally, I think enough time has passed that it shouldn't be as big of a mental thing as it once was. I don't believe this issue has anything to do with the shadow.
Not from Jake Utler's viewpoint, but the fans and probably the media will always compare any QB to Elway.
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Old 03-17-2009, 09:12 AM   #7
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Not from Jake Utler's viewpoint, but the fans and probably the media will always compare any QB to Elway.
I think that's to be expected... hell, many KC fans still cling on to the Montana years. It's going to happen when one of the truly great QBs of all time played for a certain team.
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