Football McDaniels thinks Cutler is a dumb drunk - Page 4

Hammock Parties · 03-25-2009, 01:51 AM

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Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks
By Josina Anderson, Fox 31 Denver

Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future."

I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right?

Nope.

Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you.

Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon.

"Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully.

Smile.

Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver.

Lol.

After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players.

The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar.

Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement.

"[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source.

“From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.”

As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler.

(Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.)

The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.”

“That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said.

The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme.

“This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source.

Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now.

But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City.

“[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.”

As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more.

“At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.”

But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments.

“I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.”

As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves?

“It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.”

And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well.

“McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”

Garcia Bronco · 03-25-2009, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

We agree on the quality of the article.

As for his drinking problem, I’m relying more on posted pictures:

And the personal account of a fellow CP’er.

Ok, friend of a friend then.

It’s reasonable to believe that whatever the frequency and volume of his drinking that it’s not unordinary when compared to other 25 y.o. millionaires, but when you throw diabetes into the mix any drinking can be considered excessive.

Those pictures are from 2006 before he was diagnosed in 2007(basically a year ago)

Radar Chief · 03-25-2009, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

He was diagnosed in 2007 with type 1. So this picture in th eOP was from 06. The effing media.

If he’s quit drinking since being diagnosed that would change my opinion.
He’s still a dirty cheating donk, but he’d be less of a fool for drinking, even if he’s still one for sticking around that pile of an organization.

Garcia Bronco · 03-25-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

If he’s quit drinking since being diagnosed that would change my opinion.
He’s still a dirty cheating donk, but he’d be less of a fool for drinking, even if he’s still one for sticking around that pile of an organization.

I couldn't say what he does with his free time or how much he drinks now or when he does it. All I am saying is douchebag FOX31 posted that up knowing the fact that it was before he was disnosed to get a respinse from the public geared toward a certain outcome.

**buddha** · 03-25-2009, 12:58 PM

Cutler is getting killed for no reason. From everything I've read from reputable media sources (assuming you believe any of them are), Cutler has become a health fiend since being diagnosed with diabetes.

As for the "dumb" claim, he has those droopy eyes, which makes him look a little challenged...no question about it. However, Vandy is one of the best schools in the nation and he made it through their system. Secondly, I've never heard anybody say that Shanny's system was particularly simple or dumbed down. He is known for having a complex offense.

Somehow this poor, dumb, alcholic, soft, lucky-to-be-in-the-league QB threw for 4,000+ yards last season, and he did it without any running game.

The finger of blame points to Donkey Head Ass Clown #1 McDaniels. How many rookie head coaches have come into a situation where he had a pro bowl QB and clumsily tried to trade him right off the bat? Did he think the negotiations WOULDN'T get out? Was Cassell THAT good that he was worth risking everything...before you even tried to introduce your system to the pro bowl guy?

I promise you that Pat Bowlens is drinking himself into a stupor every night, second guessing his decision to hire this buffoon.

There is no way that Cutler doesn't get traded now, and Denver is in no position to ask for Cutler's true market value.

**Kyle DeLexus** · 03-25-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha

There is no way that Cutler doesn't get traded now, and Denver is in no position to ask for Cutler's true market value.

I disagree, I think there is a very good chance that he doesn't get traded.

**buddha** · 03-25-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MWagg72

I disagree, I think there is a very good chance that he doesn't get traded.

I guess we'll see. If they don't trade Cutler, good luck with mending that relationship.

vailpass · 03-25-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Those pictures are from 2006 before he was diagnosed in 2007(basically a year ago)

One of those pics shows him with a beer in his hand. BFD.
The other one caught him with his eyes closed. BFD

I don't see anything incriminating about them no matter what. It's not like those pics of Kyle Orton from a couple of years ago. That brother was getting housed!

vailpass · 03-25-2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buddha

Cutler is getting killed for no reason. From everything I've read from reputable media sources (assuming you believe any of them are), Cutler has become a health fiend since being diagnosed with diabetes.

As for the "dumb" claim, he has those droopy eyes, which makes him look a little challenged...no question about it. However, Vandy is one of the best schools in the nation and he made it through their system. Secondly, I've never heard anybody say that Shanny's system was particularly simple or dumbed down. He is known for having a complex offense.

Somehow this poor, dumb, alcholic, soft, lucky-to-be-in-the-league QB threw for 4,000+ yards last season, and he did it without any running game.

The finger of blame points to Donkey Head Ass Clown #1 McDaniels. How many rookie head coaches have come into a situation where he had a pro bowl QB and clumsily tried to trade him right off the bat? Did he think the negotiations WOULDN'T get out? Was Cassell THAT good that he was worth risking everything...before you even tried to introduce your system to the pro bowl guy?

I promise you that Pat Bowlens is drinking himself into a stupor every night, second guessing his decision to hire this buffoon.

There is no way that Cutler doesn't get traded now, and Denver is in no position to ask for Cutler's true market value.

Completely agree with everything you say here except I'm not as certain as you that Cutler will be traded. Could go either way.

Hootie · 03-25-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Yes.

One of my best friends was diagnosed with diabetes last year. He wasn't a problem drinker by any means, but he did drink (primarily good scotch). Stopped cold after he was diagnosed and won't touch a drop now. Drinking is one of the worst things a diabetic can do.

If this drinking thing is true, this clown is doomed. It's only a matter of time before everything catches up to him. Any GM that trades anything for him would be insane.

My friend was diagnosed with diabetes when he was 12 years old...and he drinks like a fish...doesn't seem to effect him much at all.

Not saying it's good for him...but if you didn't know he was diabetic, you'd never guess it.

rtmike · 03-25-2009, 01:53 PM

Apparently Cutler's smart enough to call a cab.

Frazod · 03-25-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

My friend was diagnosed with diabetes when he was 12 years old...and he drinks like a fish...doesn't seem to effect him much at all.

Not saying it's good for him...but if you didn't know he was diabetic, you'd never guess it.

It is absolutely not good for him, and he'll pay the price for it later in life. My friend is 40, and was losing the ability to walk. He had no choice but to crack down drastically.

Of course, there is a big difference between both of our friends and a professional football player, too.

Hootie · 03-25-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

It is absolutely not good for him, and he'll pay the price for it later in life. My friend is 40, and was losing the ability to walk. He had no choice but to crack down drastically.

Of course, there is a big difference between both of our friends and a professional football player, too.

True.

I just thought it was funny because he works at a bar and none of the people he worked with even knew he was diabetic...he called me the other day at work and needed his kit for something so I brought it down and everyone was like..."you're diabetic?"

And then they proceeded to give him a really hard time for drinking as much as he does...which is probably true...but I can't blame the guy for wanting to have fun in his 20s like the rest of us.

Frazod · 03-25-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

True.

I just thought it was funny because he works at a bar and none of the people he worked with even knew he was diabetic...he called me the other day at work and needed his kit for something so I brought it down and everyone was like..."you're diabetic?"

And then they proceeded to give him a really hard time for drinking as much as he does...which is probably true...but I can't blame the guy for wanting to have fun in his 20s like the rest of us.

Understandable. One of my friends dated a girl who is diabetic and has absolutely refused to take care of herself. She's in her mid-20s now and it's really starting to catch up with her. Your friend is living on borrowed time - when the end result is stuff like blindness and limbs rotting off, it should be taken seriously. Hopefully he'll snap out of it soon.

Garcia Bronco · 03-25-2009, 02:39 PM

Cutler won't get traded and he'll be playing Denver next year and beyond.

1: Nobody can offer us what we think he's worth
2: He has no leverage what-so-ever.

Mile High Mania · 03-25-2009, 02:49 PM

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03-25-2009, 01:51 AM
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $730478	McDaniels thinks Cutler is a dumb drunk http://community.kdvr.com/_Source-Se...idgetId=161804 Source: Secrets Inside Cutler Trade Talks By Josina Anderson, Fox 31 Denver Several weeks ago, I called one of my NFL sources for information regarding the free agent market. I received what I expected, and something I didn't: a heads up about a "possible three-way trade in the near future." I figured my source was talking about a deal outside of Denver; because clearly if they were holding a secret about a grain of salt in the Rocky Mountains my source would have spilled the beans even about that right then and there right? Nope. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that vague tip weeks ago was about Denver Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler, head coach Josh McDaniels, and the "Real World" episode airing about them daily on a television set now near you. Unfortunately, the dots were finally connected for me in our conversation just (yes just) yesterday afternoon. "Sorry, I'm so sorry Josina. I couldn't tell you at the time. [The secret trade talks] were too high up then. But, when I knew it was about to get out I tried to call you. Unfortunately I didn't have the phone with your number in it right then and there," my source explained pitifully. Smile. Clearly my source forgot about this radical invention called 411. You dial it on the phone nearest to you, and ask the operator to connect you to KDVR FOX 31 in Denver. Lol. After I finished yanking their chain for a good ten minutes over the phone, my source relented and revealed some rather interesting details about the now infamous Cutler trade that didn't materialize, and, their primary insight about Denver's A-list key players. The first thing the source wanted to emphasize without hesitation was the fact that McDaniels definitely had his hand in the cookie jar. Even though McDaniels characterized the Cutler trade talks as just “conversations,” in a recent interview with the NFL Network, and said that, “there wasn’t anything that we were trying to push hard to get through,” my source begged to differ in unbridled amusement. "[Denver] was definitely negotiating. They were trying to get a trade in place and there is no doubt about that," said the league source. “From Minnesota to Detroit to Tampa, although they got in the game late, Denver was trying to get something in place.” As for why McDaniels was so hard pressed to roll Cutler out on the next Rocky Mountain train to “Anywhere but Here-land” my source (with primary knowledge of these conversations) said there were consistent themes in the coach’s concerns about Cutler. (Again this was relayed to my ears, from their ears. The following is what was heard by my source in these trade whispers, not what FOX31 cites as definite facts about Cutler.) The source said there are concerns about Cutler’s consumption of alcohol, and “that he’s not that sharp.” “That scared the crap out of McDaniels,” the source said. The source expanded their perspective of McDaniels’ concerns of Cutler learning and working in the Broncos’ new offensive scheme. “This is a very complex situation. You have to be so smart to play his [McDaniels’] offense. [Tom] Brady and [Matt] Cassel are exceedingly smart quarterbacks. They are not the best athletes in the world but they both make really intelligent decisions. Cutler has a canon for an arm, but he doesn’t manage the game like those guys in critical situations. Brady and Cassel are workaholics. They have the stature, and they have the ability,” said the source. Well everyone can argue about who they feel is the better quarterback between Cutler and Cassel now. But at the end of the day, when it comes to the root of all of this drama in Denver, the source told FOX31 to point at New England and Kansas City. “[Bill] Belichick had first round offers and then some for Cassel. Believe me, a lot of people knew that was on the table. But look at what Matt ended up going to Kansas City for nothing. (Matt Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel went to the Chiefs in exchange for a 2009 second round draft pick.) Trust me Bill wanted to pull the trigger on this one sooner rather than later. Then [Scott] Pioli [the Chiefs new General Manager and former Patriots personnel executive] was scared [edit]-less that he wasn’t going to end up with Cassel for a moment there because before he left [New England] Scott was [edit] sure he was going to get Matt-that’s why I feel he took the job in Kansas City. I am convinced it was [Belichick’s and Pioli’s master plan for [Pioli] to get Cassel all along when you watch how this played out.” As for why Belichick ended up giving the Chiefs and Pioli such a sweetheart deal, the source opined some more. “At the time all of this was going down, there’s was a part of me that felt like Belichick really wanted to take credit for Cassel. You see, I think if Matt goes to Kansas City, there is a chance he won’t be as good in the Chiefs’ system. Obviously if Cassel ended up in Denver, McDaniels can take more ownership of Matt’s success.” But the league source told FOX31 sports that in his opinion Belichick took a lesser deal for Cassel in part to disassociate McDaniels’ work in Cassel’s accomplishments. “I think Bill wants people to know that Brady and Cassel are successes because of his system. You see every other coach that left the Patriots has basically fallen flat on their face.” As for who McDaniels will scout to replace Cutler if the Pro Bowl quarterback leaves? “It will definitely have to be somebody who is smart enough to understand the intricacies of his system.” And if Cutler is smart enough, he’ll make sure he convinces McDaniels he’s the guy not just physically but mentally as well. “McDaniels has all the leverage he needs because Cutler is under contract, period. If Cutler tries to force his way out of there, plays for another team and performs poorly after all of this drama, his value will tank tremendously. Hopefully he decides to go back, but right now he is looking like an [edit].”
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buddha You may think you know... Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: California Casino cash: $10006184	Cutler is getting killed for no reason. From everything I've read from reputable media sources (assuming you believe any of them are), Cutler has become a health fiend since being diagnosed with diabetes. As for the "dumb" claim, he has those droopy eyes, which makes him look a little challenged...no question about it. However, Vandy is one of the best schools in the nation and he made it through their system. Secondly, I've never heard anybody say that Shanny's system was particularly simple or dumbed down. He is known for having a complex offense. Somehow this poor, dumb, alcholic, soft, lucky-to-be-in-the-league QB threw for 4,000+ yards last season, and he did it without any running game. The finger of blame points to Donkey Head Ass Clown #1 McDaniels. How many rookie head coaches have come into a situation where he had a pro bowl QB and clumsily tried to trade him right off the bat? Did he think the negotiations WOULDN'T get out? Was Cassell THAT good that he was worth risking everything...before you even tried to introduce your system to the pro bowl guy? I promise you that Pat Bowlens is drinking himself into a stupor every night, second guessing his decision to hire this buffoon. There is no way that Cutler doesn't get traded now, and Denver is in no position to ask for Cutler's true market value.
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