Cleveland Indians @ Kansas City Royals Game Thread (5/19)

[alnorth]

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
CLE (14-26)	1	0	0	1	0	3	0	0	0	5	9	0
KC (21-18)	0	1	0	0	0	1	0	0	4	6	11	0

Cliff Lee 8IP 2R 2ER 0BB 3K
Blown Save, (2); Loss, (1-2) Kerry Wood 0.2IP 4R 4ER 1BB 0K 2HR

VS.



Brian Bannister 6IP 5R 5ER 1BB 4K 1HR
Horacio Ramirez 2IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Win, (1-3) Kyle Farnsworth 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K

Home Runs

CLE

Shoppach (3) - Top 6th, 2-run homer to center

KC

Jacobs (9) - Bottom 9th, solo shot to right
Teahen (5) - Bottom 9th, solo shot to left

Starting Lineups

CLE

1. Asdrubal Cabrera, SS
2. Grady Sizemore, DH
3. Victor Martinez, 1B
4. Shin-Soo Choo, RF
5. Mark DeRosa, 3B
6. Ben Francisco, CF
7. Matt LaPorta, LF
8. Kelly Shoppach, C
9. Luis Valbuena, 2B

KC

1. Coco Crisp, CF
2. Alberto Callaspo, 2B
3. Billy Butler, 1B
4. Jose Guillen RF
5. Mike Jacobs, DH
6. Mark Teahen, 3B
7. Miguel Olivo, C
7. Mitch Maier, pr
8. David DeJesus, LF
9. Willie Bloomquist, SS

[Chiefless]

Originally Posted by alnorth

How does it make any sense at all to boo the other team for trying to take out your catcher? That would be about as reeruned as booing the other team for sacking your quarterback in football. Its his freaking JOB.

Agreed...booing the other team for that play is almost like cheering for them. I say cheer your team and ignore the other one as much as possible. Olivo deserves them for surviving a violent collision while holding onto the ball.

[Stanley Nickels]

You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

[Mr. Krab]

Originally Posted by Chiefless

Agreed...booing the other team for that play is almost like cheering for them. I say cheer your team and ignore the other one as much as possible. Olivo deserves them for surviving a violent collision while holding onto the ball.

How civil of you.

Can someone get this bloke a cup of tea please.

[BAS]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

You would've thought Hillman would pull Banny after seeing he had no control on his pitches, which is EXACTLY what got him in trouble last time.
Or after he walked the first batter.
Or after the second batter EASILY hit it right down the middle, where he was aiming.

That would make too much sense.

So why pull him after the inevitable two-run homer? Games over, I guess, huh Hillman??

He has pitched reasonable for the 5th starter in the rotation. He also has pretty good command and not many walks.

This is a really bad complaint.

[DeezNutz]

I'm frankly always amazed when Bannister doesn't give up the gopher ball.

[Pioli Zombie]

I've missed everything so far. Is Guillen playing on the warning track the whole game as usual?
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[Stanley Nickels]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

[WoodDraw]

Originally Posted by alnorth

Yep, he obviously should have pulled one of our best pitchers after 80-something pitches because he didnt throw well to 2 consecutive hitters. Thats something that anybody would have easily seen without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.

I realize that hating Hillman is the cool thing to do these days, but sometimes... just sometimes the players lose the game and its not the manager's fault at all.

Thank you.

Who do you guys think Bannister is?

Bannister is good, but he's good in that he's a quality back of the line starter.

Hillman did nothing wrong; you guys all just think the Royals are a lot better than they are. There's nothing wrong with that, other than it's going to be a hell of a long season for some of you.

[BAS]

God I love Billy Butler. If someone else around him could do something, this could be good for us.

Let's get to the bullpen soon!

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

I didnt research you at all because I couldnt care less about whether or not you hated on Hillman in the past. It was a general observation and nothing changes the fact that leaving Bannister in wasnt some kind of mind-blowing stupid idea.

[DeezNutz]

Billy Butler has been impressive in the 3 hole.

[Chiefless]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

I get your point...But Banny has to get that straightened out and STAT.

[WoodDraw]

Originally Posted by Stanley Nickels

Clearly, I have a history of hating on Hillman. Glad you searched my post history.

Actually, if you know anything about me, you'd know I'm a huge managerial apologist. But if he had any sense-- and, for that matter, if you did-- he'd know that Banny starts losing control on his pitches around 80, and because of his style, that usually means the sixth inning.

But go ahead and chalk it up to 20/20 hindsight. Other team's managers dont.

PROVE IT! PROVE IT!

[DeezNutz]

Was anyone aware that Jacobs doesn't do too well against LHP?