Steve mcnair is dead

[SLAG]

Onecell right now but they say murder/suicide

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[FAX]

It's a messed up deal, guys, that's for sure. And I don't want to give you guys the wrong impression. It's true that I knew McNair, but I wasn't his best friend, or anything. I got to know him through his foundation and have been to his home and he to mine, we had drinks on several occasions after work, and spent a good deal of time in our respective offices (our offices were on the same floor at Cummin's Station) chatting about various subjects. My place was kind of a refuge for him and my door is always open. I was invited to his friend's house on the 4th when all this was breaking and I'll attend the funeral. That's pretty much it.

I do want to tell you this, though. He loved the Chiefs - especially during the Vermeil Era. He loved to talk about that offense. He would smile and get really animated and energized when he talked about them. Especially when we played the Tacks. He thought Trent Green was one of the toughest, smartest quarterbacks in the league and Priest Holmes was one of the best backs to ever play the game. There were times when he'd rather talk about their offense than the Tacks'. He also loved to tell jokes - except he got them wrong all the time. Screwed up the punch line like clockwork. Very funny.

He wasn't the monster that some people will make him out to be. That's my only point.

FAX

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by ClevelandBronco

From what I know about Baha'i, she had no real faith. These are generally wonderful people.

Oh Bahaiis are quite staunch in their faith. I'm not a Bahaii myself, but all the ones I have known are very nice.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by FAX

It's a messed up deal, guys, that's for sure. And I don't want to give you guys the wrong impression. It's true that I knew McNair, but I wasn't his best friend, or anything. I got to know him through his foundation and have been to his home and he to mine, we had drinks on several occasions after work, and spent a good deal of time in our respective offices (our offices were on the same floor at Cummin's Station) chatting about various subjects. My place was kind of a refuge for him and my door is always open. I was invited to his friend's house on the 4th when all this was breaking and I'll attend the funeral. That's pretty much it.

I do want to tell you this, though. He loved the Chiefs - especially during the Vermeil Era. He loved to talk about that offense. He would smile and get really animated and energized when he talked about them. Especially when we played the Tacks. He thought Trent Green was one of the toughest, smartest quarterbacks in the league and Priest Holmes was one of the best backs to ever play the game. There were times when he'd rather talk about their offense than the Tacks'. He also loved to tell jokes - except he got them wrong all the time. Screwed up the punch line like clockwork. Very funny.

He wasn't the monster that some people will make him out to be. That's my only point.

FAX

It's a shame that unless you win "man of the year", nobody pays attention to the things some of these players do for the community. What's funny is that a lot of times the guys who seem like bad guys (TO and Chad Johnson) are actually outstanding in the community, while guys who seem like great guys don't do a damn thing for the community. And you can always tell who does it because they have to and who does it because they want to. Hopefully over the next few weeks, we'll hear less about McNair's personal life and more about the good stuff.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I would have liked to share some stories about Michael Jackson - some stories about the real MJ - not the one beleaguered by the press.

But alas, people have made up their opinions, facts or not, concerning MJ.

May they both rest in peace.

I always try to make up my mind about people AFTER hearing all sides of all stories. I'm sure there are a lot of posters here who are that way too. So feel free to share.

[memyselfI]

Ouch, Whitlock lays it on the line and isn't very kind to McNair. It will be interesting to hear the calls he gets on Friday when he's subbing for Romo.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9...-McNair-a-hero

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Dennise, You used the phrase "culturally sheltered" describing this girl in an earlier post. I had guessed (seems quite correctly) before you posted these pics that she was anything but sheltered. I have seen many Iranian-American girls who outparty and outwild their American counterparts. THEY and not the "culturally sheltered" ones are usually the ones who end up in the drug, sex wild party scene and vulnerable to this kind of ending. Unfortunately there are lots of cases like this.

I know what you are saying, Frankie. I guess I originally was thinking Steve's gal was more like our friend's daughter who is the same age as she was rather than the woman I spoke of earlier.

Both are Iranian women who could not be any more different from each other. FWIW, the one raised here (and whose mother is American) is the beautiful, smart, college student, charitable aid worker, etc. The one who came here as an adolescent (like Saleh) is the one who could have been McNair's lover. She married a much older rich guy and took him to the cleaners after a few years. Apparently, she had the whole party girl/hoochie mama thing going on much like Steve's friend.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

I know what you are saying, Frankie. I guess I originally was thinking Steve's gal was more like our friend's daughter who is the same age than she was the woman I spoke of earlier.

Both are Iranian women who could not be any more different from each other. FWIW, the one raised here (and whose mother is American) is the beautiful, smart, college student, charitable aid worker, etc. The one who came here as an adolescent (like Saleh) is the one who could have been McNair's lover. She married a much older rich guy and took him to the cleaners after a few years. Apparently, she had the whole party girl/hoochie mama thing going on much like Steve's friend.

Exactly. You do know then what I'm talking about.

BTW, FWIW, I don't know from reports whether her name was Sahel or Saleh. Both are Farsi words that I have never seen used as first names. But I guess there's no reason they couldn't be.

Sahel (Sa-hel) = Beach, and, Saleh (Sa-leh) = Peacemaker. Take your pick.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Exactly. You do know then what I'm talking about.

BTW, FWIW, I don't know from reports whether her name was Sahel or Saleh. Both are Farsi words that I have never seen used as first names. But I guess there's no reason they couldn't be.

Sahel (Sa-hel) = Beach, and, Saleh (Sa-leh) = Peacemaker. Take your pick.

Sahel it is.

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Exactly. You do know then what I'm talking about.

BTW, FWIW, I don't know from reports whether her name was Sahel or Saleh. Both are Farsi words that I have never seen used as first names. But I guess there's no reason they couldn't be.

Sahel (Sa-hel) = Beach, and, Saleh (Sa-leh) = Peacemaker. Take your pick.

My husband was just saying this last night. I chose the 'beach' with a couple of different letters in the middle...

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Sahel it is.

I bet because some Iranians tend to pronounce beach and bitch the same way.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by memyselfI

My husband was just saying this last night. I chose the 'beach' with a couple of different letters in the middle...

See above.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Frankie

I bet because some Iranians tend to pronounce beach and bitch the same way.

Originally Posted by Frankie

See above.

Pure coincidence, but that works.

[wild1]

Don't be so quick to make McNair a hero
by Jason Whitlock

Updated: July 7, 2009, 11:46 AM EDT

We can quit calling Steve McNair a great leader now. Leadership starts at home.

And I'm no longer all that interested in hearing about the community service work McNair did in Tennessee and Mississippi. Service to community begins at home, too.

If you read this column regularly, you know I'm not the morality police, you know I'm far from bothered by McNair's May-December romance and you probably should've surmised I get my "Becky on" from time to time.

Stop reading now if your preference is sugar-coated, politically-correct, phony-ass pontificating. You can find plenty of that garbage littering the Internet.

I'm going to get knee deep in this Steve McNair tragedy and what it really signifies.

Until the police wrap up their investigation, I'm only willing to acknowledge four victims — McNair's four sons.

I don't know how to classify the adults in this saga — McNair, his wife Mechelle or his 20-year-old girlfriend, Sahel "Jenny" Kazemi.

The kids, they're victims of two horrific crimes: 1. the murder of their father; 2. their father's apparent abandonment so that he had time to wine, dine, vacation and shack up with his jump-off.

Let me repeat, I'm not some sanctimonious moralizer.

Personally, I prefer June-December romances, but a blossoming May flower certainly could be fertilized into a special, 28-year-old bouquet by a patient and attentive gardener.

As for the life-experience, station-in-life disparity between a retired millionaire quarterback and a Dave & Buster's waitress, well, let he who has never Captained cast the first hoe.

Every man I know has a little Captain in him. We see a pretty young thang working her way through nursing or cosmetology school and it's just in our nature to pay a cellphone bill, a car note or get her nails done.

It's what we do. And if you've earned a chunk of change in professional sports or in corporate America, you might buy a big black Escalade in her name, fly her to Vegas or go parasailing over the ocean.

It's not a black or white thing. It's not an athlete thing. It's a man thing we haven't been able to shake since Eve gave us an apple.

The look of pure, unadulterated joy on McNair's face captured as he and Jenny parasailed is one every real man recognizes as the uncontrollable feeling of elation that gushes through the male, middle-aged body when he finds the Tenderoni Bobby Brown sang about.

Do not read this as me condoning McNair's extramarital affair. I'm not.

But we don't know the nature of Steve and Mechelle McNair's relationship. We don't know what made them happy, what agreement they reached or what was transpiring in their marriage.

What we do know is that McNair had four sons. And based on the observations and comments of Kazemi's neighbors and neighbors at the condominium McNair rented, McNair spent so much time with Kazemi over the past few months that people assumed they lived together.

You see, this is my problem with McNair, with American men as a whole.

We shirk our responsibilities as fathers. We don't have time for it. We think it's a part- or no-time job. We think our career is more important. We think charity work is more important. We think some young tail is more important.

We foolishly believe we're unnecessary in the rearing of children. This mindset must die.

I pass no judgment on McNair kicking it with a woman 16 years his junior. I don't agree with it, but I pass no judgment on McNair "cheating" on his wife.

However, I think it's ridiculous and embarrassing that he spent so much time chasing after a Nashville waitress that he created the impression he lived with her.

Many have tried, but you can't maintain two homes, two families. If HBO has shown us anything, it's that kids are the losers when it comes to Big Love.

You can't live with a waitress in a condo/apartment, take her parasailing, clubbing, to Vegas and raise a brood of boys living in a home on the other side of town.

Kids are game-changers. Kids require sacrifice. Kids are a daily and sometimes hourly responsibility. You don't properly raise them in your spare time with money, fame, gifts and glowing newspaper and magazine stories about your courage to play on Sundays despite injury and pain.

Steve McNair sounds like a warrior who fought the wrong war. He won a public-relations battle.

He was so popular in Nashville that when his under-drinking-age "Becky" got popped driving her mistress ransom while drunk and/or high the police called a cab to give McNair, the Escalade passenger, a ride home.

This is the privilege of fame and inclusion in the boys club. We're so mentally diseased that we instinctively feel empathy and envy when we see a married father of four liquored up with his near-teenage girlfriend.

You know what the cop was thinking:

But for the grace of God, two-tenths of a second on my 40 time and the high school coach who made me play tight end rather than receiver, there go I.

Steve McNair was flawed in the same way as most American men.

Too many men think financial success is their primary and most important contribution to a relationship with their kids, wives and/or girlfriends. A grown woman has the right to settle for that. Children shouldn't have to settle for anything less than their father's very best effort.

You can e-mail Jason Whitlock at [email protected].

[memyselfI]

Originally Posted by wild1

Don't be so quick to make McNair a hero
by Jason Whitlock

Updated: July 7, 2009, 11:46 AM EDT

We can quit calling Steve McNair a great leader now. Leadership starts at home.

And I'm no longer all that interested in hearing about the community service work McNair did in Tennessee and Mississippi. Service to community begins at home, too.

Money quotes. The rest of the article reads like a tutorial in urban speak and Whitlock trying to sound 'word'.

He does make an interesting point about the police enabling McNair. Of course, if they busted him he'd probably play the card. But maybe, it wasn't just McNair's friends who enabled and failed him but the community he served as well.

You think the Mrs. would find it interesting to see a police report of DH being arrested with a drunk under aged woman in the car? Then later find out the car was registered to her and her husband? If anything, one wonders if McNiair might still be alive if the police had actually done their jobs and arrested him like they would average Joe. The papers would have heard about it, the Mrs. would have gotten involved, maybe even his friends would have approached him about this getting out of hand...

Hindsight is 20-20 but it seems too many people looked the other way one too many times.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

[email protected]? Interesting.