Chiefs Todd Haley is a MF'in prick

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-11-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

So the Chiefs could be significantly better this year than they were last year.

And they'll still lose 12 games

Hammock Parties · 08-11-2009, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And they'll still lose 12 games

Todd Haley won't allow that to happen.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-11-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Todd Haley won't allow that to happen.

There's nothing he can do about it when three of his starting offensive lineman wouldn't start for any other team in the league, he's got one proven running back who's 30 years old, one proven WR that's currently running with the third team, a defensive front seven that's made of sticks and stones, an unproven rookie kicker, a question mark at long snapper and no return man.

Face it, Dude. We're ****ed.

**KcMizzou** · 08-11-2009, 10:26 PM

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There's nothing he can do about it when three of his starting offensive lineman wouldn't start for any other team in the league, he's got one proven running back who's 30 years old, one proven WR that's currently running with the third team, a defensive front seven that's made of sticks and stones, an unproven rookie kicker, a question mark at long snapper and no return man.

Face it, Dude. We're ****ed.

Time to make chicken salad.

They won't set the world on fire this season... but I like where things are headed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-11-2009, 10:32 PM

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Time to make chicken salad.

They won't set the world on fire this season... but I like where things are headed.

Oh, me, too!

It's just that the Chiefs have a very talent depleted roster.

If they go 4-12 this year, I'll be thrilled.

7-9 in 2010.

10-6 in 2011.

12-4 and Super Bowl in 2012.

**The Bad Guy** · 08-12-2009, 11:18 AM

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Oh, me, too!

It's just that the Chiefs have a very talent depleted roster.

If they go 4-12 this year, I'll be thrilled.

7-9 in 2010.

10-6 in 2011.

12-4 and Super Bowl in 2012.

I just don't agree that you need 4 years to turn around a team void of talent.

The Atlanta Falcons roster was pretty void of any talent after the 2007 season. They had Vick in the pen, no real RB options, a young Roddy White, no offensive line, an aging Keith Brooking, and a no-name secondary.

With good solid coaching, and very smart drafting, they were able to turn it around quick. I know Ryan has a ton to do with that. But if Cassel performs well, the Chiefs patch up some holes this coming off-season, anything can happen.

I'm more confident with the leadership we have in place than I have ever been.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-12-2009, 11:23 AM

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I just don't agree that you need 4 years to turn around a team void of talent.

The Atlanta Falcons roster was pretty void of any talent after the 2007 season. They had Vick in the pen, no real RB options, a young Roddy White, no offensive line, an aging Keith Brooking, and a no-name secondary.

With good solid coaching, and very smart drafting, they were able to turn it around quick. I know Ryan has a ton to do with that. But if Cassel performs well, the Chiefs patch up some holes this coming off-season, anything can happen.

I'm more confident with the leadership we have in place than I have ever been.

They're going to have to patch up more than a few holes.

Three offensive line spots, minimum. Three linebacker spots, minimum. Probably the nose tackle position. And definitely, a complimentary receiver opposite Bowe.

That's an awful lot for one season, not including depth.

Hammock Parties · 08-11-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

three of his starting offensive lineman wouldn't start for any other team in the league

Highly debatable.

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he's got one proven running back who's 30 years old

I think Charles proved something last year. The fact you discount him completely is quite a stretch.

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one proven WR that's currently running with the third team

Uh, are you going to tell me Bobby Engram has proven NOTHING?

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a defensive front seven that's made of sticks and stones

Oh please. It's not that bad. Magee, Jackson, Thomas, Vrabel - all upgrades.

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an unproven rookie kicker

Who looks good so far...

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a question mark at long snapper and no return man.

I agree with you here. SHIT!!! 2-14.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-11-2009, 11:15 PM

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Highly debatable.

No, it's not. If you actually think that Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh would each start for an NFL franchise, you need to watch some film.

JFC.

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I think Charles proved something last year. The fact you discount him completely is quite a stretch.

Yeah, he proved he had hamstring injuries and could only run the ball 67 times.

It's all about what you've done, not about potential.

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Uh, are you going to tell me Bobby Engram has proven NOTHING?

He's proven that he's 36 and may not make the team. To think that a 36 year-old receiver is going to make an impact is tenuous at best.

Who was the last 36 year old receiver in the NFL to make an impact?

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Oh please. It's not that bad. Magee, Jackson, Thomas, Vrabel - all upgrades.

Pure and utter speculation. First off, they're transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4, so there's no comparison to last year.

Secondly, and more importantly, you've just mentioned not one, but TWO ****ing rookies and two guys with more than 13 years in the league are going to make an impact.

Really? ****ing really?

We'll all be lucky if three of those four are even standing by December. Zach Thomas is a 100 years old and neither Tyson Jackson or Alex Magee have played 16 games before (not to mention, the 4 pre-season games).

JFC, Clay. I'm really disappointed.

You're certainly not acting like an impartial journalist.

Hammock Parties · 08-12-2009, 06:26 AM

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No, it's not. If you actually think that Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh would each start for an NFL franchise, you need to watch some film.

JFC.

Goff was good enough to start for a division winner last year. There are some REALLY crappy linemen out there. You act like every team is lining up with a bunch of all-pros.

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Yeah, he proved he had hamstring injuries and could only run the ball 67 times.

So? He proved he could make plays. He's not Kolby Smith or Dantrell Savage. The guy has talent and has used it to success on an NFL field. He's a legit backup RB and threat out of the backfield. You're completely minimizing him to NOTHING and that's garbage.

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He's proven that he's 36 and may not make the team. To think that a 36 year-old receiver is going to make an impact is tenuous at best.

Who was the last 36 year old receiver in the NFL to make an impact?

Isaac Bruce caught 61 passes last year for the 49ers. Muhsin Muhammad caught 65 for the Panthers. Derrick Mason caught 80 for the Ravens. All these guys are near Engram's age. I'm not saying Engram is gonna catch 60 balls. But can he be a reliable third-down target and catch 35-40 passes this year? I don't see why not. That's an important role. He's definitely proven something.

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Pure and utter speculation. First off, they're transitioning from a 4-3 to a 3-4, so there's no comparison to last year.

Secondly, and more importantly, you've just mentioned not one, but TWO ****ing rookies and two guys with more than 13 years in the league are going to make an impact.

Really? ****ing really?

The Chiefs had COMPLETE TRASH on the defensive line last year. They got run the hell over. Magee and Jackson, if they are who Pioli thinks they are, aren't complete trash. Pretty simple.

As far as Thomas and Vrabel, yes, they could get hurt. ANYONE can get hurt. If they stay healthy, they'll improve the run defense, and Vrabel will improve the pass rush. There's no question about that. None at ALL. The Chiefs were bottom of the barrel in those areas last year.

**Lzen** · 08-12-2009, 07:47 AM

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Isaac Bruce caught 61 passes last year for the 49ers. Muhsin Muhammad caught 65 for the Panthers. Derrick Mason caught 80 for the Ravens. All these guys are near Engram's age. I'm not saying Engram is gonna catch 60 balls. But can he be a reliable third-down target and catch 35-40 passes this year? I don't see why not. That's an important role. He's definitely proven something.

I am concerned about the age of our WRs. They tend to lose a lot of the speed and athleticism necessary to compete in the NFL. The really good ones make up for that by using their experience and technique. If we're lucky, these guys might be able to do that. Still does not make me very confident.

As for Bowe, I think it is a good thing. Haley needs to get guys' attitudes in check. Remind me of one very successful (regular season) coach who put a Pro Bowl LBer on the bench for the first quarter/half of a big Monday night game at Denver in 1994. If it takes putting one of your blossoming stars on the 3rd string in camp to get his and the team's attitude right then so be it. I seriously doubt that he will still be that far down on the depth chart by mid season.

The aging LBers worry me a bit for the same reasons. However I believe that we have upgraded that position by far. So, perhaps it is worth the gamble.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-12-2009, 11:13 AM

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Goff was good enough to start for a division winner last year. There are some REALLY crappy linemen out there. You act like every team is lining up with a bunch of all-pros.

Yeah, last year, Clay. The Chargers released him, didn't they? Oh, and did you forget about the part where Goff couldn't pass the conditioning test? Nice.

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So? He proved he could make plays. He's not Kolby Smith or Dantrell Savage. The guy has talent and has used it to success on an NFL field. He's a legit backup RB and threat out of the backfield. You're completely minimizing him to NOTHING and that's garbage.

Until he proves that he can stay on the field and stay healthy, he's nothing. He may be fast and he may be shifty, but that doesn't mean a thing if you're constantly in the tub.

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Isaac Bruce caught 61 passes last year for the 49ers. Muhsin Muhammad caught 65 for the Panthers. Derrick Mason caught 80 for the Ravens. All these guys are near Engram's age. I'm not saying Engram is gonna catch 60 balls. But can he be a reliable third-down target and catch 35-40 passes this year? I don't see why not. That's an important role. He's definitely proven something.

Bobby Engram isn't Bruce or Muhammed. He was NEVER a speed receiver or deep threat. He's a possession receiver that's 36 years old. He was released by a 4-12 team, only to sign with a 2-14 team. That should tell you something about his value.

I'll be shocked if he makes it through the entire season, let alone makes the team.

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The Chiefs had COMPLETE TRASH on the defensive line last year. They got run the hell over. Magee and Jackson, if they are who Pioli thinks they are, aren't complete trash. Pretty simple.

It's not simple. JFC! How is it simple? They're ROOKIES. They're playing in a new defense with a couple of ancient linebackers behind them. They've NEVER played 16 games in a season (let alone 20, with preseason). There's a learning curve involved by everyone on this defense.

Simple? Ha!

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As far as Thomas and Vrabel, yes, they could get hurt. ANYONE can get hurt. If they stay healthy, they'll improve the run defense, and Vrabel will improve the pass rush. There's no question about that. None at ALL. The Chiefs were bottom of the barrel in those areas last year.

IF? IF? See, you don't get it. For the Chiefs to win 4 games, there can't be ANY "IF'S". NO injuries. NO missed field goals. NO losses in the turnover battle. NO stupid mistakes.

IF the Chiefs don't play perfect football, they're going to lose. Hell, they could play a perfect football game and still lose because of their inferior talent. Teams like the Ravens, Steelers and Giants will just move their offenses up and down the field at will against the Chiefs defense. Defenses like the Ravens, Giants, Steelers, Eagles and Chargers will constantly bring pressure against Goff, Niswanger and ScIntosh.

It's going to be a very ugly season.

**Lzen** · 08-12-2009, 07:38 AM

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Pure and utter speculation....so there's no comparison to last year.

This pretty much describes the entire Chiefs team this year. So why so certain that they will suck? They could go 2-14. Or they could go 8-8. Shoot, they could surprise us all and win more than that. Poinhat t is tyou don't know.

**DaneMcCloud** · 08-12-2009, 11:04 AM

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This pretty much describes the entire Chiefs team this year. So why so certain that they will suck? They could go 2-14. Or they could go 8-8. Shoot, they could surprise us all and win more than that. Poinhat t is tyou don't know.

Bullshit.

YOU don't know because apparently, you haven't been paying attention.

Who's going to be the game changer on defense? Who are offenses going to game plan for? Who's the guy that's gonna put up 15+ sacks? Every time I hear someone compare the Chiefs to Atlanta or Miami, I say "Where's the John Abraham for the Chiefs or the Joey Porter, you know, guys that put up 16 sacks?"

Answer: There is none.

Who's the game changer on offense? Right now, the Chiefs have ONE reliable (and that's debatable) receiver. ONE. They have ONE proven running back. They have an offensive line that features not one, not two but three men in their 30's. They're ****ing ancient. And Niswanger sucks at center.

The bottom line is that the Chiefs have a serious, and I mean serious lack of talent up and down this roster. Bill Walsh couldn't coach this team to eight wins.

Why do you expect a first time head coach to do the same?

Oh yeah: You haven't been paying attention.