Chiefs Cassel Vs Sanchez - Page 13

Titty Meat · 08-14-2009, 06:49 PM

Also known as the Chiefsplanet Civil War. I made this thread not to talk smack but to compare how each player plays. Sanchez looked great tonight despite missing half of the Jets O-line.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

That's unfair. Some would just like a little longer college resume.

Not to mention, if my team is going to draft a QB top five... I want him to be a prototypical game changing type of QB. I want a strong arm.

Stafford would have been great, strong arm and a long resume proving that he can overcome difficulties.

Sanchez struggled to win the starting job and then was on a team vastly superior to those other teams in the Pac 10.

Sanchez may turn out to be great, but if I am picking a QB top five, I want more.

I think Cassel has similar physical ability, plus a year starting in the NFL, a history of persistence to overcome adversity, and a proven work ethic.

All at a lesser draft and paycheck price. (given that their contracts are similar now, and Sahnchez would have gotten more at the #3 spot)

That's fine. I understand your points about Sanchez.

But let's be frank. There's no perfect prospect. Thus, you've just set up a straw man. For Sanchez, it's arm strength and the "superior" talent that was around him.

When it looked like Stafford might be a legit option for the Chiefs, there were countless posts criticizing his decision-making ability and inability to win with "superior" SEC talent.

It will never end. There will always be an excuse to avoid the n00b QB. Why do I say this? Because this fanbase is not used to drafting and really trying to develop a legit young QB, since we haven't done it since '83. 1980mother****ing3.

And, surprise, we didn't do it, again. Fine. Let's hope Cassel kicks supreme ass.

But let's not play this ****ing game about trying to claim that Sanchez wasn't a fantastic prospect. Key word, "prospect."

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Matt Stafford looking pretty dam good for Detroit against Atlanta.

Oops.... spoke too soon. LOL.

I loved Stafford. When the Chiefs were losing last year, the one consolation I had was that they may be able to get Stafford.

The one thing that bothers me is that rumors were that the Lions would have liked to trade for Cassel. If so, I think Stafford 'may' have fallen to the Chiefs.

I still don't think so, because he was clearly (IMO) the best QB prospect in the draft and I think the Rams would have been tempted to take him, or someone would have traded up to get him at #2.

Mr. Laz · 08-15-2009, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Matt Stafford looking pretty dam good for Detroit against Atlanta.

and of course i jinx him ... throws a pick right after i posted how good he was looking.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

That's fine. I understand your points about Sanchez.

But let's be frank. There's no perfect prospect. Thus, you've just set up a straw man. For Sanchez, it's arm strength and the "superior" talent that was around him.

When it looked like Stafford might be a legit option for the Chiefs, there were countless posts criticizing his decision-making ability and inability to win with "superior" SEC talent.

It will never end. There will always be an excuse to avoid the n00b QB. Why do I say this? Because this fanbase is not used to drafting and really trying to develop a legit young QB, since we haven't done it since '83. 1980mother****ing3.

And, surprise, we didn't do it, again. Fine. Let's hope Cassel kicks supreme ass.

But let's not play this ****ing game about trying to claim that Sanchez wasn't a fantastic prospect. Key word, "prospect."

First, regardless of any pick, there will be critics. Be it QB, DE, LB, K, P, etc.

Now, you can look at all my posts. I was on the Stafford bandwago early. Yes, every prospect has questions.

With that said, I felt like the Sanchez backers just just wanted a young QB... any young qb will do.

I feel like he was built up to be more of a talent than he really is. I could be way off... I am just not impressed with him.

I just don't see enough there to be 'excited' about.

He isn't a Stafford/Elway kind of prospect.

Heck, he reminds me of Chad Pennington... and to me, that isn't good enough for a top five pick.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 08-15-2009, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

So I tuned in to watch what the fuss was about and I expected to see Sanchez destroying the 2000 Ravens defense.

It was 1 drive and he threw 1 good fade route. WOO HOO OMG WE ARE THE SUXOR FOR NOT DRAFTING SANCHEZ!

If the guy comes out next week and throws 3 interceptions will the same people that have Sanchez chin nuts put much stock into that too?

It's preseason. I guarantee you that if Sanchez starts for the entire season the Jets won't even break .500. Bookmark my post.

It appears the dumbassery in this thread doesn't belong to Billay alone.

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Originally Posted by milkman

Actually, since we are playing Houston in the game tonight, we do care about Houston right now, cause they will help give us a glimpse at the Chiefs progress.

And TF has given us some good posts in his sgort visit here and hopefully he sticks around even afte this game.

So speak for yourself, dumbass.

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Originally Posted by JD10367

Kinda hard to discuss how good or bad Dirty Sanchez is when he's yet to take a real snap. How he looks in camp is irrelevant.

Wait, what?

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

It's about more than 1 year....no one should be making judgments after 1 season.

Also in case you haven't noticed the Jets have ass WR's also.

Yet, you posted a link to Sanchez's first throw as some sort of validation to your point.

SenselessChiefsFan · 08-15-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't think it's riskier in this market, fans here were conditioned that vets are better than rookies especially at the QB position. The 1 time we tried to go young it resulted in abysmal failure.

I think general KC fan feels more comfortable with Matt Cassel than they would have drafting a QB just because of personal experience.

I think the general fan feels more comfortable with Cassel because Pioli knows Cassel better than any draft pick.

I also think that the general fan would have been more comfortable with Stafford than Sanchez.

**Reaper16** · 08-15-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think the general fan feels more comfortable with Cassel because Pioli knows Cassel better than any draft pick.

I also think that the general fan would have been more comfortable with Stafford than Sanchez.

I don't give a shit what the general fan thinks because the general fan is clueless.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

First, regardless of any pick, there will be critics. Be it QB, DE, LB, K, P, etc.

Now, you can look at all my posts. I was on the Stafford bandwago early. Yes, every prospect has questions.

With that said, I felt like the Sanchez backers just just wanted a young QB... any young qb will do.

I feel like he was built up to be more of a talent than he really is. I could be way off... I am just not impressed with him.

I just don't see enough there to be 'excited' about.

He isn't a Stafford/Elway kind of prospect.

Heck, he reminds me of Chad Pennington... and to me, that isn't good enough for a top five pick.

Hey, no problem. If you or anyone else watched the kid extensively and came to the conclusion that you wanted no part of him. Great. I respect that opinion.

As it pertains to most fans, however, I don't think that's anywhere close to the case. Many want to avoid a rookie QB, regardless. As one small example, before the '08 draft, many on this board, when asked whom they wanted KC to select, would have responded, "Not Matt Ryan."

Oops. And this board is dominated by knowledgeable fans. But fans who had probably seen Ryan play between 0 and *maybe* ****ing maybe 2 games. I think there's a similar approach to the QBs in this most recent draft, be it Stafford or Sanchez.

**Bwana** · 08-15-2009, 04:35 PM

I don't give a rats ass about Durty Sanchez one way or the other.

Mecca · 08-15-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yet, you posted a link to Sanchez's first throw as some sort of validation to your point.

I posted it for people that didn't see it...

Also honest question the Chiefs haven't used a 1st round pick on a QB since 83...is there any other team that has gone remotely that long? Even the expansion teams have used a first on a QB since then.

Mecca · 08-15-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

I don't understand this. There are some players around the league I covet. But, there is not a single player in the NFL I would ever call my favorite that did not play for the Chiefs.

I don't understand this really.

You can have a favorite team but I have favorite players that have nothing to do with the Chiefs. I watch more teams play than just the Chiefs I enjoy the sport in general not just the Chiefs.

**Reaper16** · 08-15-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I don't understand this really.

You can have a favorite team but I have favorite players that have nothing to do with the Chiefs. I watch more teams play than just the Chiefs I enjoy the sport in general not just the Chiefs.

I don't understand it either. I love the Chiefs, well above all other teams. The difference in my fandom for the Chiefs and that of any other team for me is enormous. But I enjoy following the entire league, too. And there are some specific players that I really enjoy watching.

Mecca · 08-15-2009, 04:54 PM

Ok after doing some research on the QB draft pick question this is what I came up with.

The Chiefs haven't selected a first round QB since 1983 the only other AFC team with such a streak is the Dolphins who haven't taken a 1st round QB since Marino in 83, but of a different situation but theirs is still the same number of years.

By going to the NFC I found there are a few teams with even longer streaks than the Chiefs some so long it is dumbfounding.

The New Orleans Saints have not selected a QB in the first round since Archie Manning in 71, the Rams haven't selected one since Bill Munson in 64.

So the Chiefs may like to avoid taking QB's in the 1st round but they are only tied for 3rd when it comes to having a long running streak of avoiding it.

**DeezNutz** · 08-15-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I don't understand it either. I love the Chiefs, well above all other teams. The difference in my fandom for the Chiefs and that of any other team for me is enormous. But I enjoy following the entire league, too. And there are some specific players that I really enjoy watching.

Yep.

Not sure how one can be a football fan and not enjoy watching AP run, Ossiossimahugga cover, Willis tackle, or Big Ben lead.

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08-15-2009, 04:54 PM	#194
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-692950	Ok after doing some research on the QB draft pick question this is what I came up with. The Chiefs haven't selected a first round QB since 1983 the only other AFC team with such a streak is the Dolphins who haven't taken a 1st round QB since Marino in 83, but of a different situation but theirs is still the same number of years. By going to the NFC I found there are a few teams with even longer streaks than the Chiefs some so long it is dumbfounding. The New Orleans Saints have not selected a QB in the first round since Archie Manning in 71, the Rams haven't selected one since Bill Munson in 64. So the Chiefs may like to avoid taking QB's in the 1st round but they are only tied for 3rd when it comes to having a long running streak of avoiding it.
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