Allen is going to outsack the Chiefs

[Coach]

At the same time, JA is one DUI away for a year long suspension, IIRC. If not, at least 8 games minimum, since he already did what, the 4 game, which was reduced to two? Something like that?

Either way, Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Coach

Either way, Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

Really? Are you kidding me?

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. How many of those teams even had a Pro Bowl tackle, let alone a "franchise" guy?

And how many of those teams had a great pass rusher?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Are you kidding me?

Take a look at the last 10 Super Bowl winners. How many of those teams even had a Pro Bowl tackle, let alone a "franchise" guy?

And how many of those teams had a great pass rusher?

Super Bowl XXXIV - Rams - Orlando Pace - Won
Super Bowl XXXV - Ravens - Jonathan Ogden - Won
Super Bowl XXXVI - Patriots - Matt Light - Won. Note: Rams - Orlando Pace also played.
Super Bowl XXXVII - Raiders/Bucs - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XXXIX - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XL - Seahawks - Walter Jones - Lost.
Super Bowl XLI - Colts/Bears - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XLII - Patriots - Matt Light - Lost.
Super Bowl XLIII - Steelers/Cards - Max Starks.

Now some guys you may disagree that they are a "Franchise" LT, but the fact that the Patriots have kept Matt Light all that time, tells me that they value the guy.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Coach

Super Bowl XXXIV - Rams - Orlando Pace - Won
Super Bowl XXXV - Ravens - Jonathan Ogden - Won
Super Bowl XXXVI - Patriots - Matt Light - Won. Note: Rams - Orlando Pace also played.
Super Bowl XXXVII - Raiders/Bucs - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XXXVIII - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XXXIX - Patriots - Matt Light - Won.
Super Bowl XL - Seahawks - Walter Jones - Lost.
Super Bowl XLI - Colts/Bears - Neither LT's considered "Franchise" IMHO.
Super Bowl XLII - Patriots - Matt Light - Lost.
Super Bowl XLIII - Steelers/Cards - Max Starks.

Now some guys you may disagree that they are a "Franchise" LT, but the fact that the Patriots have kept Matt Light all that time, tells me that they value the guy.

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

The Patriots didn't build their team or offensive line around Matt Light.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RedThat

I still wouldnt underestimate the value a solid OT brings to your team. Every team needs one, they are the key component to your passing game. A quarterback will have a harder succeeding if he doesnt have the pass protection.

to win a bowl, you need all the right elements in place. An OT is an example, so is a defense, etc.

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

That all comes down to balance.

why didn't the Chiefs win? well, many could argue that in the 90's they had John Alt yes, great defense yes, but, Marty schottenheimer couldn't win because he was so damn conservative and predictable on offense, afraid to take risks which is always a bad thing because that does nothing but make the oppositions job alot easier and knowing what youre gonna do.

Very few conservative teams win. In the playoffs it usually ends up being a bad thing.

Same thing about Vermeils teams. willie roaf heck of player, john tait solid player. great offenses..but why didn't we win? because the defenses were terrible. we couldnt stop anyone worth a damn. conservative defenses, "bend but don't break"..."Play back so we don't give up the big play"...."give the teams what they can get underneath, and hope for a turnover."

*Again, it comes down to balance. You still have to be pretty solid at every position, and things gotta be "right"

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

Yeah, so they had best of both worlds and still could not do it you ignorant twit.. That does not go both ways, it only hurts your point.. It still took a franchise QB to get them to the afc championship game..

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

"Solid" is one thing.

"Franchise" is another.

For all these people that don't get it, the Chiefs had Willie Roaf, John Tait and John Alt in the past and never won a goddamn thing. So it goes both ways went bringing up Derrick Thomas.

Well, the Chiefs had Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, and a great defense, they never won either.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, puhleese.

The Ravens won the Super Bowl because of their defense. JFC. Tampa Bay, same thing. The Giants? Defense. The Colts actually? Defense.

Max Starks?

Max Starks is a ****ing bozo. And Matt Light is NOT a "Franchise" left tackle. The guy is solid but he was a freakin' 5th rounder.

The Patriots didn't build their team or offensive line around Matt Light.

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess Jonathan Odgen isn't considered a "Franchise" LT in your own words?

Oh, and check your facts. Matt Light was a 2nd rounder, 48th pick overall.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Coach

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess Jonathan Odgen isn't considered a "Franchise" LT in your own words?

The Ravens could have had just about anyone at left tackle that year. The defense set a record for points scored.

Originally Posted by Coach

Oh, and check your facts. Matt Light was a 2nd rounder, 48th pick overall.

My bad.

I still don't view him as a "Franchise Left Tackle". He's good, he's solid and he's reliable.

But he's not a "Franchise" guy.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The Ravens could have had just about anyone at left tackle that year. The defense set a record for points scored.



My bad.

I still don't view him as a "Franchise Left Tackle". He's good, he's solid and he's reliable.

But he's not a "Franchise" guy.

Well, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that Matt Light is a franchise LT. The fact that he was the starting LT in 12 of the 14 games in his rookie year, the year where NE had 112.2 yards per game.

He was part of offensive line at left tackle that led the way for 133 yards on 25 carries (5.3 average) in the Patriots 20-17 victory in Super Bowl XXXVI over the St. Louis Rams. He was named to the Football News 2001 NFL All-Rookie Team in 2001.

In Super Bowl XXXVIII, he was instrumental in the Patriots' success against the Carolina Panthers' pass rush; the Patriots did not allow a sack to a very effective defensive line that featured Kris Jenkins, Mike Rucker, Brentson Buckner and Julius Peppers.

I just think he doesn't get the recongition that he deserves to get to be considered one of the top LT's in today's football.

[Coogs]

In the long run, I am a Chiefs fan. The team will be rebuilt, and IMO be rebuilt to championship form in the near future. That required CP and his cronies being shipped out. And that required the likes of an empty stadium that only comes from a 2-14 type team. To quote Herm... "It'll be OK!"

[sedated]

Originally Posted by Coach

Pass rushers come and go. It's much easier to find a pass-rusher than you would find a future potentional franchise LT.

wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by sedated

wtf?

because we've had soooooo many great pass-rushers in recent years?

how many potential franchise LT's were drafted in the last 3 years, and how many franchise DE's?

May I remind you that Jordan Black was once our starting LT, and our offense was considered one of the worst offense in the NFL?

I-65 is open for oncoming traffic.

May I also remind you that Damion McGinatosh was once the LT of this team, and he got abused more than a hooker got abused from her pimp?

First I think Albert is really good. He had one penalty last year. How many sacks has he allowed last year? 2? And he was only a rookie.