Chiefs Top 10: Regrettable NFL Offseason Decisions - Page 8

Coach · 08-26-2009, 05:54 PM

I probably wouldn't want to put too much stock from a goon that writes his so-called expert analysis from a (sounds of it) gay porn website.

I mean, what the **** is a "AskMen.com" anyways?

Lame.

DTLB58 · 08-26-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

I probably wouldn't want to put too much stock from a goon that writes his so-called expert analysis from a (sounds of it) gay porn website.

I mean, what the **** is a "AskMen.com" anyways?

Lame.

For some reason I read this in Jim Rome's voice...Made it even more freaking hilarious.

Coach · 08-26-2009, 06:11 PM

Let's just remind ourselves that Cassel should be given a benefit of the doubt for his first year. Remember, Trent struggled horribly during his first year, but he did show marked improvement from his first year in Kansas City.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:27 PM

I think sometimes people got use to watching Green look good due to the line so now unless a QB has that it's the lines fault he's not productive.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2009, 07:32 PM

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I think sometimes people got use to watching Green look good due to the line so now unless a QB has that it's the lines fault he's not productive.

A few things....
I think Cassel's pass protection problems highlight how good certain QBs like Brady are because of how quickly they can spot coverages and get rid of the ball. So while you can blame Cassel for bringing the line down, it's too much to expect him to be as good as Brady from the get-go.

Secondly, there's a minimum threshold at least for how good the offensive line needs to be to give the QB a fighting chance. Cassel's was borderline--I think he certainly needs to work on getting rid of the ball faster, but that will come with experience making quicker reads. But I also saw lots of moments last year where the pass rush collapsed on him a lot faster than it should have. Hard to make plays as a QB when the o-line doesn't give you some kind of pocket to work wtih.

You don't have to have an o-line as beyond dominant as KC's. But you do need to have one that can at least hold a pocket the majority of snaps.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:34 PM

Peyton Mannings line is full of a bunch of guys most fans have never heard of....think about that.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:42 PM

Considering this schedule...Cassel is going to get destroyed numerous times, I hope he's praying for no injuries.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2009, 07:42 PM

Exactly as I called it just after the trade.

The excuses have already started.

Everyone is getting them ready early, that way when we go 3-13 all the blame is deflected away from the supposed franchise QB.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly as I called it just after the trade.

The excuses have already started.

Everyone is getting them ready early, that way when we go 3-13 all the blame is deflected away from the supposed franchise QB.

All of those excuses were set for Croyle too...people want so badly to believe that the guy is the answer it's never his fault.

"The line sucks" "the receivers aren't good enough" etc etc etc

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2009, 07:45 PM

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All of those excuses were set for Croyle too...people want so badly to believe that the guy is the answer it's never his fault.

"The line sucks" "the receivers aren't good enough" etc etc etc

I like how all these excuses were presented as a reason to not draft a QB, and get a veteran guy.

Now the vet is here, and all the same excuses are still in play.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:46 PM

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I like how all these excuses were presented as a reason to not draft a QB, and get a veteran guy.

Now the vet is here, and all the same excuses are still in play.

And they'll be in play for a long time, we're talking about a fan base that actually tried to justify that Brodie Croyle and Matt Ryan were similar prospects.

WilliamTheIrish · 08-27-2009, 10:46 AM

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And they'll be in play for a long time, we're talking about a fan base that actually tried to justify that Brodie Croyle and Matt Ryan were similar prospects.

Link to the fanbase. Please.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2009, 07:52 PM

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I like how all these excuses were presented as a reason to not draft a QB, and get a veteran guy.

Now the vet is here, and all the same excuses are still in play.

No, it just says that trying to build your entire offense around one player that isn't named Peyton Manning or Tom Brady is just plain nuts.

Cassel is a work-in-progress. And who knows if he ever reaches any potential. I'm just astounded that the Chiefs would bring in a guy like Cassel and not surround him with the tools to learn how to run an offense the right way. It enfuriates me, actually. It's one thing if the Chiefs gave him limited talent to work with. But they stripped him of their top "receiver" and they sat idly by as an offensive line they knew was horrendous didn't improve a bit.

The excuses won't be just from the fans. Pioli bought Cassel two years because if he's not successful in year 1, Pioli can blame it on lack of support players, even though he should have known that before we entered the 2009 season.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2009, 07:54 PM

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No, it just says that trying to build your entire offense around one player that isn't named Peyton Manning or Tom Brady is just plain nuts.

Cassel is a work-in-progress. And who knows if he ever reaches any potential. I'm just astounded that the Chiefs would bring in a guy like Cassel and not surround him with the tools to learn how to run an offense the right way. It enfuriates me, actually. It's one thing if the Chiefs gave him limited talent to work with. But they stripped him of their top "receiver" and they sat idly by as an offensive line they knew was horrendous didn't improve a bit.

The excuses won't be just from the fans. Pioli bought Cassel two years because if he's not successful in year 1, Pioli can blame it on lack of support players, even though he should have known that before we entered the 2009 season.

Look out, folks. 'Zilla is furious.

Ignored the offense, setting Cassel up for failure, and trading Tyler Thigpen.

OH NOES!!!111!!!!!111!!one!!111eleventy!1

**SAUTO** · 08-27-2009, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Exactly as I called it just after the trade.

The excuses have already started.

Everyone is getting them ready early, that way when we go 3-13 all the blame is deflected away from the supposed franchise QB.

funny how you INSIST on ignoring the fact that football is a TEAM SPORT

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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	Exactly as I called it just after the trade. The excuses have already started. Everyone is getting them ready early, that way when we go 3-13 all the blame is deflected away from the supposed franchise QB.
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