Chiefs Top 10: Regrettable NFL Offseason Decisions - Page 7

Pneuma · 08-26-2009, 02:11 PM

No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel

A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for.

Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law.

The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt.

He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon.

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While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.

Valiant · 08-26-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

They got rid of him because they are ****ing geniuses.

Not only do they not have to pay him $15M to be a backup, they get a 2nd round pick to go with it.

They are geniuses to sign him to the tender, period.. If not he was a UFA I believe and they would have gotten nothing.. They never would have paid him the money to be backup..

We are not talking about them trading a longtime starter like Law or Branch.. They had a FA that a lot of teams wanted in a spot they could afford to part with..

Now it comes time if he can improve without throwing to Moss and Welker and be a top 15 QB... If not then it was foolish to give Cassel the contract, not that they traded a 2nd for him..

Coach · 08-26-2009, 06:11 PM

Let's just remind ourselves that Cassel should be given a benefit of the doubt for his first year. Remember, Trent struggled horribly during his first year, but he did show marked improvement from his first year in Kansas City.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2009, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

What if the real truth is that Cassell "fails" because the OL cannot protect him???

Sorry, but that's not an excuse.

Ben Roethlisberger won a ****ing Super Bowl behind a TERRIBLE offensive line last year.

And Cassel himself was successful last year getting sacked more than any other QB in the league.

**DeezNutz** · 08-26-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Valiant

I don't know about that.. 1-3 years at most..

The only bad part of the Cassle ordeal is giving him the money so early.. We should have waited until half way into the regular season.. Trading a 2nd, I am fine with.. Though I would have rather had one of the two first QB's selected this past draft..

And it is funny that Cassel is ahead of:

Winslow being traded for a 2nd and 5th plus new contract.,,
Delhomme being given the contract at his age..
Stallworth, sorry but the legal system failed on the punishment..
Cutler ordeal in Denver and soon to be Marshall deal..

Seems to me the guy just set up the points on a dart board and picked rank from there..

No way, dude.

SD is still battling back from Leaf...
IND from George...
KC from Blackledge...

DTLB58 · 08-26-2009, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach

I probably wouldn't want to put too much stock from a goon that writes his so-called expert analysis from a (sounds of it) gay porn website.

I mean, what the **** is a "AskMen.com" anyways?

Lame.

For some reason I read this in Jim Rome's voice...Made it even more freaking hilarious.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DBOSHO

imo, i disagree with that. if cassel is terrible, we have 2 capable backups who have started before and have experience and are young.

and you have to consider we will probably pick in the top 10 again and there are some pretty good qbs in the draft. bradford, mccoy, snead...and i cant think of anyone who usually picks that low that needs a qb.

the raiders have fatmarcus. davis isnt smart enough to go with another qb if he fails. the lions just got stafford. jets have sanchez. maybe the rams, but i think they have other positons of need to fill.

if cassel does fail and we get a qb that would only be a 2-3 year setback imo. but i believe that cassel is the man and we will go oline or wr next yr

I disagree with this...those 2 backups are not capable of starting on a winning team.

I also really don't like that QB class a bunch of spread monkeys.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sorry, but that's not an excuse.

Ben Roethlisberger won a ****ing Super Bowl behind a TERRIBLE offensive line last year.

And Cassel himself was successful last year getting sacked more than any other QB in the league.

Are you really downgrading Cassel because he's not Big Ben? How many players are?

Big Ben survived a horrible offensive line because he's enormous and impossible to bring down. He's one of very few starting QBs that can do that.

An offensive line is a very valid excuse for a QB to not perform well. Over time, the good QBs can learn to develop a quick release like Brady and Brees, but again, you're talking about the cream of the crop. The vast majority of QBs in the NFL are dependent on their offensive line to give at least mediocre protection.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:27 PM

I think sometimes people got use to watching Green look good due to the line so now unless a QB has that it's the lines fault he's not productive.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think sometimes people got use to watching Green look good due to the line so now unless a QB has that it's the lines fault he's not productive.

A few things....
I think Cassel's pass protection problems highlight how good certain QBs like Brady are because of how quickly they can spot coverages and get rid of the ball. So while you can blame Cassel for bringing the line down, it's too much to expect him to be as good as Brady from the get-go.

Secondly, there's a minimum threshold at least for how good the offensive line needs to be to give the QB a fighting chance. Cassel's was borderline--I think he certainly needs to work on getting rid of the ball faster, but that will come with experience making quicker reads. But I also saw lots of moments last year where the pass rush collapsed on him a lot faster than it should have. Hard to make plays as a QB when the o-line doesn't give you some kind of pocket to work wtih.

You don't have to have an o-line as beyond dominant as KC's. But you do need to have one that can at least hold a pocket the majority of snaps.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:34 PM

Peyton Mannings line is full of a bunch of guys most fans have never heard of....think about that.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-26-2009, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Are you really downgrading Cassel because he's not Big Ben? How many players are?

Big Ben survived a horrible offensive line because he's enormous and impossible to bring down. He's one of very few starting QBs that can do that.

An offensive line is a very valid excuse for a QB to not perform well. Over time, the good QBs can learn to develop a quick release like Brady and Brees, but again, you're talking about the cream of the crop. The vast majority of QBs in the NFL are dependent on their offensive line to give at least mediocre protection.

I just complemented Cassel in that post.

Reading is fundamental.

But he's done it before, you can't have it both ways and credit him for being successful in NE then using it as a crutch in KC.

Chief Faithful · 08-26-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Wow.... two months ago, it was one of the 'best' moves.

Now, this guy thinks it's one of the worst.

Sorry, but the trade for Cassel was a good move.

The contract he got is barely above average for a starting QB. So, the contract wasn't a bad move.

The Chiefs were on the hook for 14 million anyways.

If Cassel had had a good year, the Chiefs would have to pay much more than that..... or franchise him again, which would have given him the same amount over two years that is currently guaranteed.

The Jared Allen situation developed because the Chiefs lacked the forethought to lock him up before his contract was up.

Just because the old regime thought it was great to let the players get to a contract year and let negotiations hit an impasse before actually trying to work a deal, doesn't mean that is what the smart teams do.

Now, the Chiefs are way under the cap. Pioli knows Cassel. The other person who knows him is McDaniels.... who also tried to get him.

The Pats didn't want to pay the $14 million. The Chiefs offered less than what the Broncos and Lions were going to offer, but the Chiefs jumped quickly and the Pats wanted the deal done.

This may be a stupid move down the line, but very few could look at this objectively and call it one of the top ten worst moves in the NFL offseason.

The team is well under the cap and have what they believe is a franchise QB locked up. In order for this jokers comments to make any sense is if Pioli is an absolute fool, which he has already proved is not the case.

donkhater · 08-26-2009, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sorry, but that's not an excuse.

Ben Roethlisberger won a ****ing Super Bowl behind a TERRIBLE offensive line last year.

And Cassel himself was successful last year getting sacked more than any other QB in the league.

The STEELERS won a super bowl with a terrific defense as well. Put last season's KC defense with the great big ben, and they don't make the playoffs.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-26-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I just complemented Cassel in that post.

Reading is fundamental.

But he's done it before, you can't have it both ways and credit him for being successful in NE then using it as a crutch in KC.

I can because the offensive line he's going to be dealt in KC is a far shot worse than the Pats' o-line. And I've railed on Pioli for treating it like such a low priority.

It pisses me off that the line was ignored. I can only hope that Cassel can find a way to do well in spite of them.

Mecca · 08-26-2009, 07:42 PM

Considering this schedule...Cassel is going to get destroyed numerous times, I hope he's praying for no injuries.

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Pneuma Titles Suck Join Date: Aug 2006 Casino cash: $9788321	Top 10: Regrettable NFL Offseason Decisions No.1 - Kansas City Chiefs trade for Matt Cassel A silent alarm should have sounded for the Chiefs when the New England Patriots sold off “franchise” Matt Cassel for such a cheap price. Getting good value from Bill Belichick is like getting a good deal from a greasy used-car salesman: you’re lucky if you get what you pay for. Cassel looked shiny and nice while he was on Belichick’s lot, but so have many players. Belichick makes his squad into overachievers and then sells high, only to see his parts fail elsewhere. See: Deion Branch, David Givens and Ty Law. The Chiefs also signed Cassel to the richest contract in franchise history before he even played a snap, which may have been premature. A simple six-month test drive wouldn’t have hurt. He has ”bust” written all over him and his early struggles in training camp are just the early evidence that the Chiefs got a lemon. http://www.askmen.com/top_10/sports/...decisions.html ___________________ While I don't agree with the long term signing, I don't think it deserves #1.
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08-26-2009, 07:34 PM	#100
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Peyton Mannings line is full of a bunch of guys most fans have never heard of....think about that.
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08-26-2009, 07:42 PM	#105
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Considering this schedule...Cassel is going to get destroyed numerous times, I hope he's praying for no injuries.
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