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Old 08-31-2009, 05:15 PM  
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Who is the greatest American villain?
A Charles Manson reference in another thread got me thinking about this. Who is the greatest villain in American history, the one that will draw the most ire from any right-thinking American?

Give me some options and I'll put up a poll. Nominees can come from any category: war, politics, crime, business, finance, celebrity, sports, child care, Benetton models, comic strip artists (Bil Keane, anyone?), or others. Give me your best shot.

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1. We're talking true villainy here. Villainy where you can't really defend anything the person did at a dinner party without getting winces.

2. We're talking national scale. Remember, the kicker that shall go unnamed is a hero in Indianapolis.

3. Real life only. While many may villainize Elmer Fudd for his relentless and brazen murderous stalking of Bugs Bunny, Mr. Fudd does not actually exist, and therefore any villainous acts committed by Mr. Fudd do not exist, either.

4. The villain must be an American citizen, or if their villainy took place before 1783, a resident of the area that would eventually become the United State AND acting against the United States for villainous reasons rather than sincere loyalty to another country in conflict with nascent American liberty movements or peoples and in the absence of a history of loyalty to American causes.

Once I get 20 reasonable candidates, I'll post the poll.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:18 AM   #166
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brigham young why him? Easy he ordered his followers to kill a group of settlers. Forgot the name of the attack. The sttlers were killed and the childrens froced to live with mormans family.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:19 AM   #167
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:20 AM   #168
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For all the evil that he did, Capone also sponsored soup kitchens that kept thousands of Chicagoans fed during the early years of the Depression. Obviously this was self-serving, as Capone did all he could to sell himself to the press as a good guy, but there is no denying that he helped many people who might otherwise have starved.
*shrug* His secretaries say Adolf Hitler was very kind. He had some took good care of his dogs too.

BFD.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:21 AM   #169
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:21 AM   #170
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:23 AM   #171
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J. Edgar Hoover and Joseph McCarthy; two un-American swine who failed to meet the stray bullet they so desperately deserved.
I thought about mentioning Hoover, but decided that I didn't really want to go down that road. He wasnt' without redeeming qualities, however, which took him off my list.

McCarthy was a scumbag, but I don't think his notable achievements reach the level of epic villiany.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:23 AM   #172
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*shrug* His secretaries say Adolf Hitler was very kind. He had some took good care of his dogs too.

BFD.
Yeah, but Eva used to kick Blondi when Adolf wasn't looking, so it becomes a neutral.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:24 AM   #173
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:26 AM   #174
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I thought about mentioning Hoover, but decided that I didn't really want to go down that road. He wasnt' without redeeming qualities, however, which took him off my list.

McCarthy was a scumbag, but I don't think his notable achievements reach the level of epic villiany.
All authoritarians, whether just or parading as such, need to be taken down a notch if not outright killed in most cases.

And yeah, I'm standing by it ****ers; take your best shot.
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Old 09-01-2009, 09:29 AM   #175
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brigham young why him? Easy he ordered his followers to kill a group of settlers. Forgot the name of the attack. The sttlers were killed and the childrens froced to live with mormans family.
Wherever that guy went, he got run off. Tarred and feathered in Ohio, and when they tried to settle in Missouri, the legislature put a law on the books that remained until the late 70's stating that a citizen of the State could shoot a Mormon on sight.
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*shrug* His secretaries say Adolf Hitler was very kind. He had some took good care of his dogs too.

BFD.
You really equate "took good care of his dogs" with keeping thousands of Americans from starving? Nice.

Here's another nomination for greatest American villain - Andrew Volstead.
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You really equate "took good care of his dogs" with keeping thousands of Americans from starving? Nice.

Here's another nomination for greatest American villain - Andrew Volstead.
Yep, that's a good one.
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I assume Obama has already been mentioned so, having grown up in Jesse James country, I'll go with the coward Bob Ford.

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