Chiefs Overall Evaluation of our 2009 Draft picks. - Page 10

chiefsfan1963 · 08-31-2009, 10:29 PM

Jackson seems to be the real deal. How about the rest of our picks?

I would love to hear what our insightful posters takes are.
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TFG · 09-02-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WildTurkey

only a few of those teams actually won, and going into last season the O-line was not the strength of the Steelers, and a few of them got beat by a Belicheck/Pioli built O-line, which was not made up of high picks or expensive FA's

It is actually an unprecedented time of that. It is also unprecedented how few NFL OLs are really GOOD anymore.

Clearly, the Panthers royally FUed taking ORT Jeff Otah last year. He really hurt their offense big time... .... (when he was out with an ankle only).

**DeezNutz** · 09-02-2009, 08:32 PM

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Don't get me started. I panned Gallery - Vernon Carey was my top OT prospect that year... ORT specifically.

First of all, your comp is a loaded sack of ####. Tait was a good player. Gallery was a BUST. I could cite Kenneth Sims, for example.

Seymour was a much better prospect than T-Jax.
Monroe is a much better prospect than Tait.

If you want to equal it out, and say Seymour vs. Orlando Pace, sure, that's a question I'll answer.

If you have one but not two OTs of high caliber, you pick PACE. If you have two, you pick Seymour.

Or you don't pick either a RT or a 34 DE with a top 3 pick, but, hey...

Mecca · 09-02-2009, 08:34 PM

Most people think the Giants have the best OL in the league they have exactly 0 first round picks on it.

TFG · 09-02-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Using an 80s O-Line as an example has no bearing on the economics of today's free agent, salary cap NFL.

OH BS!!!!!

Rookie contracts aside from the top pick are peanuts. Albert's contract is peanuts vs. the cap. T-Jax is more but still peanuts. You could spend 7 mil on each starter at OL and you'd still have close to 100 mil today.

WildTurkey · 09-02-2009, 08:36 PM

All I am trying to say is that you don't take based on need, you take your top player on the board regardless of pos.... if you want to spend all that dough on a couple of tackles and ignore a shitty defense go ahead, I'm not on either side of this argument I wanted a franchise QB with that pick, but I certainly like the Jackson pick a lot more than drafting a right tackle, and btw I would take Seymour over Pace if my team already had a franchise LT

Mecca · 09-02-2009, 08:37 PM

I'll tell you not using any mid round picks on the OL is a mistake in my view.

TFG · 09-02-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Most people think the Giants have the best OL in the league they have exactly 0 first round picks on it.

It is amazing the job they have done. Snee, McKenzie, and now Beatty are SEconds, but still. WHEW. I never thought O'Hara was anything more than a street caliber FA. Seubert too. Deihl gets beat in pass protection but is just great at run blocking. The way they work as a unit is just awesome. I still don't think any of them as individuals are really that good.

WildTurkey · 09-02-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'll tell you not using any mid round picks on the OL is a mistake in my view.

oh absolutely, especially over Magee or Washington

Mecca · 09-02-2009, 08:42 PM

Maybe it's just me but there are numerous positions I'd never use 1st round picks on unless I had 0 needs or the guy was a once in a generation player.

**Buehler445** · 09-02-2009, 08:49 PM

You won't give it up will you? WTF dude?

Here's the bottom line. Serviceable RTs are found LOTS of places in addition to the top of the draft. Bottom of the first, midrounds, free agency....Just because the Chiefs did not utilize these OTHER places absolutely positively DOES NOT mean that they should have used the mother****ing THIRD OVERALL PICK ON A RIGHT ****ING TACKLE.

Tyson Jackson was going to go top 10. Monroe went 8th AS A LEFT TACKLE not as a RIGHT TACKLE. Please for the love of **** tell me you know the difference between a right and left tackle....PLEASE?

Fact is that left tackles get paid SIGNIFICANTLY more than right tackles. SIGNIFICANTLY. Tack on there that Albert and Monroe would have come due within a year of each other. Monroe will want to be paid like a left tackle. Are you really going to plow 100M into 2 tackle positions?

**** it. I went at this blockhead all day yesterday and he's still hammering away.

WildTurkey · 09-02-2009, 08:49 PM

Don't get me wrong, I would love a great RT right now, I just don't want one in the first round with the number 3 pick.... The Chiefs were in a shitty position last year, the only real choices at that pick were Raji and Jackson and that's a toss up in my book. If you could find a stop gap FA(which we haven't) for this season and then address the RT with one of our second round picks next year than that would be perfect

TFG · 09-02-2009, 08:49 PM

To you, McSUK is a "serviceable" ORT.

Mecca · 09-02-2009, 08:50 PM

It might be worth it if you had money to burn and thought there was going to be no cap.

**Buehler445** · 09-02-2009, 08:51 PM

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To you, McSUK is a "serviceable" ORT.

To who? Me? I've been wanting Taylor to go in for McIntosh since LAST PRESEASON. Taylor is better at what McIntosh does than McIntosh is.

TFG · 09-02-2009, 08:51 PM

"tell me you know the difference between a right and left tackle....PLEASE?"

If the ORT whiffs, that's good - that's your point?

If the OLT is good and the ORT sukks, that's what you want obviously...

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09-02-2009, 08:36 PM	#140
WildTurkey I'm done Chiefs, Go Pack Go Join Date: May 2009 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $10004900	All I am trying to say is that you don't take based on need, you take your top player on the board regardless of pos.... if you want to spend all that dough on a couple of tackles and ignore a shitty defense go ahead, I'm not on either side of this argument I wanted a franchise QB with that pick, but I certainly like the Jackson pick a lot more than drafting a right tackle, and btw I would take Seymour over Pace if my team already had a franchise LT
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09-02-2009, 08:37 PM	#141
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	I'll tell you not using any mid round picks on the OL is a mistake in my view.
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09-02-2009, 08:42 PM	#144
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	Maybe it's just me but there are numerous positions I'd never use 1st round picks on unless I had 0 needs or the guy was a once in a generation player.
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09-02-2009, 08:49 PM	#145
Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1685266	You won't give it up will you? WTF dude? Here's the bottom line. Serviceable RTs are found LOTS of places in addition to the top of the draft. Bottom of the first, midrounds, free agency....Just because the Chiefs did not utilize these OTHER places absolutely positively DOES NOT mean that they should have used the mother**ing THIRD OVERALL PICK ON A RIGHT **ING TACKLE. Tyson Jackson was going to go top 10. Monroe went 8th AS A LEFT TACKLE not as a RIGHT TACKLE. Please for the love of ** tell me you know the difference between a right and left tackle....PLEASE? Fact is that left tackles get paid SIGNIFICANTLY more than right tackles. SIGNIFICANTLY. Tack on there that Albert and Monroe would have come due within a year of each other. Monroe will want to be paid like a left tackle. Are you really going to plow 100M into 2 tackle positions? ** it. I went at this blockhead all day yesterday and he's still hammering away.
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09-02-2009, 08:49 PM	#146
WildTurkey I'm done Chiefs, Go Pack Go Join Date: May 2009 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $10004900	Don't get me wrong, I would love a great RT right now, I just don't want one in the first round with the number 3 pick.... The Chiefs were in a shitty position last year, the only real choices at that pick were Raji and Jackson and that's a toss up in my book. If you could find a stop gap FA(which we haven't) for this season and then address the RT with one of our second round picks next year than that would be perfect
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09-02-2009, 08:49 PM	#147
TFG Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	To you, McSUK is a "serviceable" ORT.
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09-02-2009, 08:50 PM	#148
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-782950	It might be worth it if you had money to burn and thought there was going to be no cap.
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09-02-2009, 08:51 PM	#150
TFG Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	"tell me you know the difference between a right and left tackle....PLEASE?" If the ORT whiffs, that's good - that's your point? If the OLT is good and the ORT sukks, that's what you want obviously...
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