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Old 09-27-2009, 02:41 PM   #1
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If he's going to call plays and we can't do this or that due to personnel I hope you guys are pumped for 0-16.
This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.

I'm not too upset at Haley for the way the game was coached. I'm upset that his players still make boneheaded mistakes. But the playcalling is fine. There's nothing you can do when on every pass play, at least two pass rushers are getting to Cassel unblocked.

I'm more pissed at Pioli for not realizing this was a problem sooner. Haley is doing the best he can with what he was given.

That being said, this is an interesting test for Haley. Yellers and screamers have a hard time yelling, when players don't buy into what you're selling. It reminds me of when Coughlin was almost ousted several years ago.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:43 PM   #2
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This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.
The one where we were ahead 17-0?

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Old 09-27-2009, 02:45 PM   #3
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The one where we were ahead 17-0?
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:47 PM   #4
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The one where we were ahead 17-0?
Yup.

The first half was filled with Saunders playcalls where they had some innovative short plays designed for about 5 yards. Like Gailey's offense, they were gimmicky plays and it's only a matter of time before the defense adjusts to it.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:50 PM   #5
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Yup.

The first half was filled with Saunders playcalls where they had some innovative short plays designed for about 5 yards. Like Gailey's offense, they were gimmicky plays and it's only a matter of time before the defense adjusts to it.
Sorry, no comparison.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:55 PM   #6
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Sorry, no comparison.
Very valid comparison.

When your offensive line is incapable of giving your QB even a fraction of a second to throw the ball, you are very limited in the kinds of plays you can run. You're limited mostly to quick screens to the RBs and WRs and the QB has no time to go through any kinds of progressions.

The Chiefs did that to perfection against Philly that game with Green. And then the defense adjusted because they knew exactly what the Chiefs were going to do. In games like this when you're horribly outmatched on the o-line, your choice is to run the ball unsuccessfully, go for a long pass play where you're more than likely going to get sacked, or rely exclusively on a passing game that demands that you get rid of the ball right after the ball is snapped. None of those options is attractive.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:58 PM   #7
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Very valid comparison.

When your offensive line is incapable of giving your QB even a fraction of a second to throw the ball, you are very limited in the kinds of plays you can run. You're limited mostly to quick screens to the RBs and WRs and the QB has no time to go through any kinds of progressions.

The Chiefs did that to perfection against Philly that game with Green. And then the defense adjusted because they knew exactly what the Chiefs were going to do. In games like this when you're horribly outmatched on the o-line, your choice is to run the ball unsuccessfully, go for a long pass play where you're more than likely going to get sacked, or rely exclusively on a passing game that demands that you get rid of the ball right after the ball is snapped. None of those options is attractive.
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2008. You have no pass protection. So what do you do? You run a gimmick spread offense because it's the only way you can get a pass play off without getting sacked.

We can criticize Haley for his playcalling. But when you can't protect your QB, you throw away 50% of your playbook and 45% of your playbook doesn't work nearly as well as it should.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:44 PM   #8
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This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.

I'm not too upset at Haley for the way the game was coached. I'm upset that his players still make boneheaded mistakes. But the playcalling is fine. There's nothing you can do when on every pass play, at least two pass rushers are getting to Cassel unblocked.

I'm more pissed at Pioli for not realizing this was a problem sooner. Haley is doing the best he can with what he was given.

That being said, this is an interesting test for Haley. Yellers and screamers have a hard time yelling, when players don't buy into what you're selling. It reminds me of when Coughlin was almost ousted several years ago.
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Old 09-27-2009, 02:48 PM   #9
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This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.
The ****ing game where we blew a 17 point lead at home?

How is this game, in any way, reminiscent of that one?
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The ****ing game where we blew a 17 point lead at home?

How is this game, in any way, reminiscent of that one?
Well, it was the same opponent, I guess.
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This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.

I'm not too upset at Haley for the way the game was coached. I'm upset that his players still make boneheaded mistakes. But the playcalling is fine. There's nothing you can do when on every pass play, at least two pass rushers are getting to Cassel unblocked.

I'm more pissed at Pioli for not realizing this was a problem sooner. Haley is doing the best he can with what he was given.

That being said, this is an interesting test for Haley. Yellers and screamers have a hard time yelling, when players don't buy into what you're selling. It reminds me of when Coughlin was almost ousted several years ago.
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This is a game where we were horribly outmatched. It reminds me of the Eagles game several years ago when we played without Roaf.

I'm not too upset at Haley for the way the game was coached. I'm upset that his players still make boneheaded mistakes. But the playcalling is fine. There's nothing you can do when on every pass play, at least two pass rushers are getting to Cassel unblocked.

I'm more pissed at Pioli for not realizing this was a problem sooner. Haley is doing the best he can with what he was given.

That being said, this is an interesting test for Haley. Yellers and screamers have a hard time yelling, when players don't buy into what you're selling. It reminds me of when Coughlin was almost ousted several years ago.
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