Chiefs I am afraid that Haley might have lost the team today.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 09-27-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Change is one thing.

Not realizing how bad our offensive line was until the 3rd game in the preseason is inexcusable.

Ndukwe, Alleman and O'callaghan are not good linemen. They were the best we could get because we sat on our hands so long. The point is that we had a bunch of much better options earlier in the preseason, but for whatever reason, the front office didn't make it a priority.

This.

It's unfathomable to me that the "Executive of the Decade" has been so bad at talent evaluation over the past 9 months.

Mecca · 09-27-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This.

It's unfathomable to me that the "Executive of the Decade" has been so bad at talent evaluation over the past 9 months.

I'm going to say it now, you were right.

Marcellus · 09-27-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I'm going to say it now, you were right.

You guys state the team was untaleneted last year going into this year and now you expect them to do a 180 in 1 offseason.

Your geniuses.

Mecca · 09-27-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You guys state the team was untaleneted last year going into this year and now you expect them to do a 180 in 1 offseason.

Your geniuses.

Like he said I expect the executive of the decade to be able to evaluate players better than this.

He had an offseason to make moves and we resorted to making preseason panic ones.

Marcellus · 09-27-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Like he said I expect the executive of the decade to be able to evaluate players better than this.

He had an offseason to make moves and we resorted to making preseason panic ones.

I doubt there is any panioc unlike with you.

Are they pissed guys aren't performing? Hell yes, but I guarantee you there is no panic at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Disappointment? Yes.
People that panic are the people that don't believe in the process. If you believe in what your doing is right, you are not panicking.

Pioli and Haley both stated at the kick off luncheon they didn't know when we were going to win but they would tun it around and make a winner out of the franchise.

Have you ever manged people or a process? I know you haven't. I have 168 employees that work for me and some of them regardless of the direction you give them make the dumbest mistakes you ever saw. You would think you could just can them and get somebody better but the fact is there is competition for good experienced employees (or players) and just because you want them and it would work out for both parties doesn't mean you can just go get all the people you want.

Building a football team and building a company with a bunch of employees isn't that much different. You can't turn either around in a short period of time.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-27-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I know you haven't. I have 168 employees that work for me and some of them regardless of the direction you give them make the dumbest mistakes you ever saw.

This is the NFL, not a ****ing sheltered workshop.

Marcellus · 09-27-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is the NFL, not a ****ing sheltered workshop.

Nice try smart ass.

I work at a place that has one of the highest avg paying salaries in the area. I guarantee its better than KC's average in the NFL.

problem is whether it's the NFL or ****ing MCDonald's there is a comparison between the expected performance of your employee base and the actual performance and what you can do about it.

Laugh if you want but anybody who hires or manages people will tell you the same thing.

What you want and what you have is not easily corrected in either environment and sometimes people just plain let you down.

Chieficus · 09-27-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Building a football team and building a company with a bunch of employees isn't that much different. You can't turn either around in a short period of time.

Good point. I think that's the bigger picture here. A lot of people are whining about the o-line and what shoulda/coulda happened. Well, the o-line is just a small fraction.

What this team needed was a near-complete overhaul: We needed to replace 1 if not both safeties, with the switch to a 3-4: 3 LBs, 3 DLs, then also: C, G, T, WR, QB, KR/PR, and while it was lower priority maybe even HB. That's at minimum 1/2 a team's worth of starters and doesn't even begin to address depth at those positions. Not to mention the complete dearth of leadership that was on the team.

I'd like to see the GM that can come to a laughing stock of a team and even begin to fix every phase of that in one offseason.

They had to prioritize, and with the draft, they decided to set their aim on the DL and QB (with the trade); then maybe see what they could happen to fill with the later picks.

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Uh dude, signing and trading for upwards of 10 players during preseason is panic.

I think it only qualifies as panic when you think you're a player or two away and find out you're not at the last moment, so you start reaching at straws to make yourself better than you are. I don't think our owner, GM, or coach ever had that illusion.

When you have a seriously talentless team you pick a place and start working. That's what they did. The rest of it is trying to find the right sized finger to plug the hole in your dam until you can get the proper fix...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 09-27-2009, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Chieficus

Good point. I think that's the bigger picture here. A lot of people are whining about the o-line and what shoulda/coulda happened. Well, the o-line is just a small fraction.

What this team needed was a near-complete overhaul: We needed to replace 1 if not both safeties, with the switch to a 3-4: 3 LBs, 3 DLs, then also: C, G, T, WR, QB, KR/PR, and while it was lower priority maybe even HB. That's at minimum 1/2 a team's worth of starters and doesn't even begin to address depth at those positions. Not to mention the complete dearth of leadership that was on the team.

I'd like to see the GM that can come to a laughing stock of a team and even begin to fix every phase of that in one offseason.

They had to prioritize, and with the draft, they decided to set their aim on the DL and QB (with the trade); then maybe see what they could happen to fill with the later picks.

I think it only qualifies as panic when you think you're a player or two away and find out you're not at the last moment, so you start reaching at straws to make yourself better than you are. I don't think our owner, GM, or coach ever had that illusion.

When you have a seriously talentless team you pick a place and start working. That's what they did. The rest of it is trying to find the right sized finger to plug the hole in your dam until you can get the proper fix...

Jesus ****ing Christ.

Not one person, not ****ing one person on this board thought this could be turned around in a year. Stop with this ****ing bullshit.

The criticism doesn't stem from the fact that we're 0-3 this year, it stems from the fact that even their initial choices and styles to "plug the dam" have been gross miscalculations or outright failures.

That doesn't portend well for the future. You can't win with 53 Terrance Coppers, no matter how much you want to. You can't draft counter to the available talent in the draft and expect to get good players, or good value.

You can't ignore the biggest weakness on your team, and then forfeit draft choices so that you can shuffle the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Good god, man. Get ****ing real.