Chiefs Should Haley be fired? - Page 9

Hammock Parties · 09-27-2009, 03:12 PM

The Chiefs are 0-3 and look awful in two of three games. Should Haley be fired?

Also, this is our official 2009 reerun filter.

memyselfI · 09-28-2009, 11:05 AM

Agreed about losing the players. If he still has their support then what the fans, the media, or the management have to say is not really relevant right now. But IF, big if, he's already losing players and the locker room is not jelling in a way that will cause the players to become a team then he needs to go sooner rather than later. No, not after 3 games.

You have a locker room full of young and inexperienced players. Do we really have the time for a coach to learn how to do his job while simultaneously trying to lead others to do the same? The mix of so much newness, inexperience, and youth is not one that stands to withstand a great deal of adversity. There is just not the foundation or security within the team or the organization at this point to spiral downward faster than before even if we are 'rebuilding.'

memyselfI · 09-28-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chagrin

I don't know about firing the guy but I have never liked the idea of hiring first time coordinators as HC's, or QB's with less than 12 College starts for shit's sake - I don't like him and cursing out the players isn't helping his case; he should be ****ing cussing out his own damn self, however he was left with shit to work with. Sad though, I don't see us going anywhere until we step up the O-line, same story for the past 4 years, and get some God Damn WR's.

He reminds me of some other inexperienced dude who took a job he was not yet qualified for and we are all reaping what he's sowing.

Chiefnj2 · 09-28-2009, 11:12 AM

This year they get a pass.

Next year it should be 6 wins minimum.

vailpass · 09-28-2009, 12:30 PM

3 games into his first season with a team that won 2 games last year? Fire him?
For who? Denny Green?

htismaqe · 09-28-2009, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

This year they get a pass.

Next year it should be 6 wins minimum.

6 wins might be lenient even.

I had hoped they could muster 5 or 6 this year. Vermeil did it.

Simply Red · 09-28-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

6 wins might be lenient even.

I had hoped they could muster 5 or 6 this year. Vermeil did it.

we'll still manage five wins, maybe, well never mind, we won't.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-28-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

6 wins might be lenient even.

I had hoped they could muster 5 or 6 this year. Vermeil did it.

Yes, but we had a much better line in '01. I'll be surprised to see them win 4 with this OL. If we had any WR worth a shit in '01 we'd have won 8 or 9. Our current OL may just be the worst I've ever seen.

DJ's left nut · 09-28-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefDave

Acting like an asshole? Yes, lets get another 'nice guy' HC. How many play off wins did that get us with the last 2 coaches?

Vermiel was no 'nice guy' HC.

His players constantly bitched about how hard on them he was behind the scenes, but they'd all kill themselves for him because he also showed that he cared about them. Sure, he was emotional in pressers and when things went well, but he tore many a new asshole behind the scenes when things didn't.

Vermiel was exactly what a HC should be in terms of how he handles his players. He needed a better defensive coordinator and a GM that would address his team's weaknesses. He was too loyal to his staff and that's what kept him from winning here. However, you'll never find a coach that better understands how to deal with his players.

I can't believe you honestly see Vermiel as "grandpa Dick" or you'd ever consider Todd Haley an upgrade over him.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-28-2009, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I can't believe you honestly see Vermiel as "grandpa Dick" or you'd ever consider Todd Haley an upgrade over him.

I don't give a shit about DV. In fact, I kinda dislike him at this point for wasting that great offense we had for a few yrs and did not do shit about the D. If Haley doesn't fix the OL, same goes for him.

**Iowanian** · 09-28-2009, 02:53 PM

This is STUPID.

It's the 3rd week of his first season, the oline sucks, and the roster is lacking of talent.

I'll suffer as patiently as I can this year....and look for significant improvement next season.

Carl is gone....Carl is gone.....Carl is gone....Herm is gone....Herm is gone.....Herm is gone.

Carl and Herm are GONE!

I said I'd be fine with a shitty season of rebuild last offseason if Carl left.....I can't change the direction of the boat this time.

**BigMeatballDave** · 09-28-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

As a rookie coach? Or did he win a few games before he started thinking he was God's gift to coaching? I honestly don't know the answer.

I don't really remember. My point is I don't give a shit if he yells. He's the boss. Its up to him to get his players to play. I'm so glad we have a coach that makes players accountable for when they **** up. However, I just hope he admits when he ****s up.

Demonpenz · 09-28-2009, 03:08 PM

welp looks like most people want him to stay

Tiger's Fan · 09-28-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Vermiel was no 'nice guy' HC.

His players constantly bitched about how hard on them he was behind the scenes, but they'd all kill themselves for him because he also showed that he cared about them. Sure, he was emotional in pressers and when things went well, but he tore many a new asshole behind the scenes when things didn't.

Vermiel was exactly what a HC should be in terms of how he handles his players. He needed a better defensive coordinator and a GM that would address his team's weaknesses. He was too loyal to his staff and that's what kept him from winning here. However, you'll never find a coach that better understands how to deal with his players.

I can't believe you honestly see Vermiel as "grandpa Dick" or you'd ever consider Todd Haley an upgrade over him.

He's an upgrade over Herm and thats all you need to know. Now go take your ****ing meds before you pass out.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 09-28-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

He reminds me of some other inexperienced dude who took a job he was not yet qualified for and we are all reaping what he's sowing.

George W?

Tiger's Fan · 09-28-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Iowanian

This is STUPID.

It's the 3rd week of his first season, the oline sucks, and the roster is lacking of talent.

I'll suffer as patiently as I can this year....and look for significant improvement next season.

Carl is gone....Carl is gone.....Carl is gone....Herm is gone....Herm is gone.....Herm is gone.

Carl and Herm are GONE!

I said I'd be fine with a shitty season of rebuild last offseason if Carl left.....I can't change the direction of the boat this time.

It's just more evidence that the average "adult" has the attention span of a 3 year old.

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memyselfI CHANGEd your mind yet???? Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Lunatics Anonymous Casino cash: $10005234	Agreed about losing the players. If he still has their support then what the fans, the media, or the management have to say is not really relevant right now. But IF, big if, he's already losing players and the locker room is not jelling in a way that will cause the players to become a team then he needs to go sooner rather than later. No, not after 3 games. You have a locker room full of young and inexperienced players. Do we really have the time for a coach to learn how to do his job while simultaneously trying to lead others to do the same? The mix of so much newness, inexperience, and youth is not one that stands to withstand a great deal of adversity. There is just not the foundation or security within the team or the organization at this point to spiral downward faster than before even if we are 'rebuilding.' __________________ Meet the new boss same as the old boss. BigChiefDave:"Anyone who thought we would only be in Iraq for a few years is either stoned or just stoopid." "It is unknowable how long that conflict will last. It could last 6 days, 6 wks. I doubt 6 mths." Rummy 2/7/03
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09-28-2009, 12:30 PM	#124
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09-28-2009, 02:53 PM	#130
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $1648454	This is STUPID. It's the 3rd week of his first season, the oline sucks, and the roster is lacking of talent. I'll suffer as patiently as I can this year....and look for significant improvement next season. Carl is gone....Carl is gone.....Carl is gone....Herm is gone....Herm is gone.....Herm is gone. Carl and Herm are GONE! I said I'd be fine with a shitty season of rebuild last offseason if Carl left.....I can't change the direction of the boat this time.
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09-28-2009, 03:08 PM	#132
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