Who to draft in 2010

[synthesis2]

Ok, assuming we have a top 3 pick which I'm sure we will, the O-line is the biggest issue, along with a lot of other issues but that is first. So why not do this.

1st- Best Tackle
2nd- Best Guard
2nd - Best Guard

3-7 fill in the blanks.

This would put us in a good situation and would have a good line for the next 8-10 years, assuming none of them have career ending injuries.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?

[Rudy tossed tigger's salad]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

Because the value, and perception of the safety position is changing. We are watching the evolution of the way that position is looked at in todays NFL. They are going to begin being drafted higher, and paid more. People are starting to recognize their value, and impact on the game. Todays safeties are becoming huge playmakers, and are moving into the realm of game changers.

This is a fair argument. With Reed, Sanders, and Polamalu all making impact on championship teams it looks like it may have influenced the Draft in 06 and 07. Huff, Whitner, Allen, Landry, Griffin, Nelson, and Meriweather were all picked relatively high though just 3 of them went in the top 15. However if you look at the last two drafts--though maybe thin at Safety--only Kenny Phillips went in the first round as the 31st pick. I don't see enough evidence in this trend to really change my argument

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

"Playmaker" is in the eye of the beholder. If KC had a RT who could neutralize a guy like Kiwanuka/Tuck for an entire game, why isn't he a "playmaker"?

a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

a RT doing his job, is not a Gamechanger.
Yes, we need a RT very badly, but the only reason we value a RT so much is because ours are just flat out horrible. A good one should not be very hard to find. We just didn't address it hard enough.

If you could leave that RT alone on an island for an entire game against someone like Tuck, how is he not a gamechanger? You don't have to worry about protection as much, you can run behind him, you don't have to have a TE help him, you don't have to have a HB chip him. It completely opens up your offense to do more.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I really hate the argument "how many championships did we win with a dominant OL in the 90's."

Other than a really good OL, what else don't we need?

We didn't win any championships with Allen or DT, so I guess KC doesn't need a good pass rusher.

We didn't win any championships with TG, so I guess we don't need a really good TE.

We didn't win any championships with Saleamua on the line, so I guess we don't need a NT.

We didn't win any championships with Carter and Hasty at CB, so I guess we don't need any really good corners.

We didn't win any championships with Cherry or Albert, so I guess we don't need any really good DBs.

We didn't win any championships with Holmes, so I guess we don't need a HB who can score 20+ TDs a year.

We don't have any of the above, so I guess we're set. We'll start winning real soon.

This is true. It's not the offenses fault that we had absolutely 0 talent on defense during the Vermeil years. If we would have had a top 18 D on those teams, we probably would have gotten a Lombardi.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

If you could leave that RT alone on an island for an entire game against someone like Tuck, how is he not a gamechanger? You don't have to worry about protection as much, you can run behind him, you don't have to have a TE help him, you don't have to have a HB chip him. It completely opens up your offense to do more.

I agree with you, but guys like Polomalu, Reed, B. Sanders, get your offense the ball back, and make huge plays, and are a hell of a lot harder to find than a good RT.
Don't think I'm downplaying the importance of a good RT. I'm really not. I'm just saying that I would be cool with them taking Berry with a top 5. I would not be cool with them taking a RT that high. Yeah, when we played the Giants, they have a good pass rusher on the Ds Left side, but most teams only have a premier pass rusher, on their right.
Now if Albert doesn't improve, I would be cool with taking a LT that high, and putting Albert at RT or guard.
IF....he doesn't get better at LT that is.

[MVChiefFan]

I'm just a little pissed that there are TWO stud safeties that will be there. Because you know we're going to draft the Ryan Sims of safeties.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Okay, assuming the Chiefs will be top ten... which is a possibility because Athan informed us all that the Chiefs making the playoffs is now a pipedream......

I don't want a WR.... because I want AJ green in 2011. Not kidding here. I would trade up to get this kid. I just wish he could come out after this year. I am afraid that the Chiefs may be drafting too low in 2011 to have a shot...

I don't want a QB.... in the first round because I think Matt Cassel can do the job.

I don't want a TE.... because there is NO TE worthy of a top ten pick.

I don't want a RB because they have a short shelf life and teams can find one later in the draft.

I don't want a safety, because I think that it is rare to find a safety worthy of a top ten pick.

I would prefer not to get a LT.... because I feel like Albert can be a good LT, and the Chiefs can solve the RT problems later in the draft.

I don't want a CB because I think that is one of the Chiefs's strongest positions.

Guard, center and fullback would be ridiculous.

So, that leaves us with NT and linebacker. As much as I would like a huge NT to take up space, this defense needs playmakers.

Considering you can find good ILB talent later in the draft, I think the Chiefs have to go with pass rusher.

Hali has looked pretty good coming off the edge and has been doubled quite a bit. If the Chiefs can get another good rusher coming from the other side, a true speed rusher.... then the Chiefs pass rush may look quite a bit better.

That is assuming that they can't trade the pick. Because frankly, the Chiefs have enough areas to upgrade that a trade down would be great.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I agree with you, but guys like Polomalu, Reed, B. Sanders, get your offense the ball back, and make huge plays, and are a hell of a lot harder to find than a good RT.
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They get the ball back to the offense, but if the offense is going 3 and out, it doesn't do much good.

I'm not saying take a RT with a top 5 pick. Hell, I'd love Berry. Sign me up right now for Berry in the first, and I think I'd be happy. I just disagree with what people deem a "playmaker", and I see a little bit of the change in attitude with regard to who you should take with a top 5 pick in the draft from last year to this year with the draft gurus.

[soundmind]

I'm a junkie for Lineman. Admittedly so. The single most glaring need on this team is the offensive line. However, the draft is not our only source for players/talent, and it has been proven time and time again that OLinemen can be found later.

I'm now interested in the 2010 draft for one reason, and one reason alone. Assuming we have a top 3 pick as you've stated (which I believe is presumable)....and he's still available...there's no decision to make.






And I have ZERO ties to USC. But you have to respect Pete Carrol's defensive teachings, and this kids size/talent is unmatched. You take him, you pay him, and our defense is improved ten-fold.

[The Bad Guy]

Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.

[gblowfish]

Let's draft Trezelle Jenkins again.
He's available. And he's still young!

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Dunlap could fit in the role Elvis Dumervil is filling now. That wuold mean Hali is pushed aside, but I'm fine with that.

I just really want Berry or even Mays. Our safety play yesterday was just down right awful. I want a menacing ball-hawk in the secondary. Look at the Steelers. Without Troy, they are complete trash.

I think both of those guys can play at a Polamalu level.

Is Mays a ball hawk? He didn't have any INTs last year, did he?

[MVChiefFan]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Let's draft Trezelle Jenkins again.
He's available. And he's still young!

He doesn't have a lot of wear and tear.

[The Bad Guy]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Is Mays a ball hawk? He didn't have any INTs last year, did he?

Good point. I just think with his skill set, he could be a ball hawk. I don't know how many offenses take shots deep on USC.