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**Tribal Warfare** · 10-05-2009, 10:30 PM

Charles presents a dilemma for Chiefs
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

The dilemma with running back Jamaal Charles gets to the heart of the problem Todd Haley has in getting the 0-4 Chiefs a victory — and, longer term, building them into a playoff contender.

On one hand, Charles, who returns kickoffs and plays as the third-down back, is one of the Chiefs’ most talented players. He is one of the few Chiefs capable of making big plays and one of the fastest players on an otherwise slow team.

On the other hand, Charles has been an unreliable player whose fumble on the opening kickoff Sunday put the Chiefs in an immediate hole against the undefeated New York Giants. He delivered some big plays as a rookie last year, but a precious few this season.

The Chiefs figure to need Charles and his potential Sunday when they play the Dallas Cowboys at Arrowhead Stadium. But, perhaps mindful of the damage Charles is also capable of inflicting on his own team, Haley wouldn’t commit to having Charles active.

“We’ll have to see where we’re at personnelwise,” Haley said. “We’ll talk about that as the week progresses.

“Jamaal was very remorseful about (the fumble). He told his teammates that. We’ve just got to move forward.”

As Haley and general manager Scott Pioli continue what now seems like an eternal Chiefs rebuilding program, they have precious few younger offensive players who can help with the process. Dwayne Bowe, perhaps. Matt Cassel and Branden Albert, they hope.

Charles could figure into their plans — if not as a regular, then as a spot player capable of causing matchup problems for the opposing defense because of his speed. Haley appears to like Charles as a player, which certainly helps his cause. Haley certainly doesn’t want to give up on Charles too quickly and then watch him become a productive player for an opposing team.

But Charles’ time to prove his worth to the Chiefs could be running out. Kolby Smith is close to finishing his rehabilitation from last year’s knee surgery and is eligible to be activated from the injured list later this month.

He could take Charles’ place as Larry Johnson’s primary backup. In the interim, Dantrell Savage, a less talented but more reliable player than Charles, is the option.

For his part, Charles indicated he is ready for whatever punishment Haley dishes out for the fumble against New York.

“Whatever they do to me, they do to me,” he said. “I’ll still go out there and give it my all. It was my fault (Sunday) fumbling the ball like that. I put the defense in a bad situation. We’re (not) that good to be turning the ball over. I’ll take responsibility for that. If I had held on to that ball, it would have been a lot different.

“I’m trying to get things going, and I wasn’t thinking about the ball. It wasn’t a big hit. The ball just came out.”

Since coming to the Chiefs, Haley has emphasized that he wants players he can count on every down, and not necessarily talented players whose performance goes up and down. He’s been willing to bend that policy in the case of Charles.

“He doesn’t have to say anything about that,” Charles said. “Every coach wants consistent players.

“I agree with him. If I didn’t practice that good or play that good, don’t put me in that week. If you think Savage practices better than me, play Sav. I don’t have anything against Sav. He’s a good player.”

Charles showed a glimpse of his big-play ability on his 53-yard kickoff return against New York in the fourth quarter. He might have taken it all the way if teammate Terrance Copper had made a better block.

The fumble against New York was only the latest in a series of drops for Charles. The Chiefs aren’t strong enough to overcome mistakes like that.

“We’ve talked about margin of error around here,” Haley said. “We can’t do that against a good football team. Generally, it will get you beat.

“Jamaal starting the game that way is a morale-hurter. It hurts like a dagger in your abdomen. It was not in any way the way we wanted to start the game. It wasn’t a big hit or a great play by a defensive player. I feel like we kind of served it up for them. We can’t do it.

“We just have to work on the technique. We have the gantlet (machine) we run through twice a week, and we talk about protecting the football and how you’ve got to do it. We’ve just got to work harder at it.”

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-06-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I think Lamar wanted to win - his two big problems were a) he was too damn loyal and b) he lost his ass in the diamond market. That second one is one most fans overlook.

I'll save my judgement on Clark as history hasn't played out yet. For one I think he has the right idea for the franchise - build through the draft, he just hired the wrong guy. Now it was one hell of a move in football world, but Chiefs weren't the franchise type that Pioli needed to go to IMO.

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-3900555.html

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I think Lamar wanted to win - his two big problems were a) he was too damn loyal and b) he lost his ass in the diamond market. That second one is one most fans overlook.

I hate to disagree, Bro.

But if Lamar really wanted to win, he would have had a larger hand in day-to-day operations.

And he wouldn't have waited 15 years between playoff appearances not once, but twice.

ChiefsCountry · 10-06-2009, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Only by fools.

Not by people who'd seen J.J. coach at Okie State and Miami.

And everyone knew that Jerry Jones would win because he was a brash asshole with oil money.

cough Troy Aikman cough

WildTurkey · 10-06-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I just personally don't see this ending well, hopefully I'm wrong but you build a foundation early and this first season has brought nothing.

of course it won't end well... it's the Chiefs we're talking about

.... but I like to be a little optimistic

Mecca · 10-06-2009, 12:14 AM

Lamar cared in the AFL days by the time I was born he didn't, he cared about making money.

Hammock Parties · 10-06-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Um, just about every defensive coordinator in college and just about every position coach in the NFL.

Due diligence is required, Dumbass. You don't just hire a guy that ****ing sucks ass just because he came from the same organization that you came from.

Oh, and he was FIRED, BTW.

You do realize they tried to hire Romeo Crennel, right?

Basically Pendergast was all they could get.

Quote:

You know, you're REALLY starting to piss me off. You don't know me, you don't know my contacts, you've NEVER sat in a room with Clark (c)Hunt without the media around, NOR are you in business with Clark (c)Hunt or the (c)Hunt family in ANY capacity.

I've been in the same room as some of the lawyers that help to create the AFL. I've been in the same room as some of the people who have known the (c)Hunt family from the very beginning and even before the AFL.

You're ****ing kid sitting in a goddamm Texas basement that doesn't know jack ****ing shit other than what you read or what you hear from Nick ****ing Cocksucking Athan.

It's a joke.

Just like the Chiefs franchise for the better part of the past 40 YEARS.

Like I said, I'm not going to talk to you about it. You made one statement months ago, then a mountain of evidence to the contrary blows up in your face but you continue to stick to your statement.

It's completely ridiculous. And so is your ad hominem. Send me a PM telling me how you're just kidding around, again.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

cough Troy Aikman cough

He's a bust and clearly not a Hall of Famer

/chiefsplanet

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Like I said, I'm not going to talk to you about it. You made one statement months ago, then a mountain of evidence to the contrary blows up in your face but you continue to stick to your statement.

Because I'm not going to tell you anything about my friends and "sources" on a public forum, especially when I'm talking about some of the most famous names in American sports and the sports conscious.

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

It's completely ridiculous. And so is your ad hominem. Send me a PM telling me how you're just kidding around, again.

No, it's not. But that's okay. Keep thinking that we're all not connected, nor that we don't make any money or that no one is successful in life to the point where they have these kind of connections.

And FWIW, when I've given you crap in the past, I've sent you PM's to let you know that I'm teasing. I thought you would appreciate that.

Apparently, I was wrong.

And in THIS case, I'm not joking, teasing or making light of your situation.

Enjoy living in the dark.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-06-2009, 12:19 AM

At least Lamar wasn't Nelson Baker Hunt. If I believed in Hell, I'd be certain there's a 5* lodge with demons ready to ass**** him with water buffalo cocks for eternity in the 9th circle.

Hammock Parties · 10-06-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Enjoy living in the dark.

Enjoy the past biting you in the ass:

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yay!

Too bad no one at Arrowhead One Drive is listening.

And Clark Hunt is a ****ing pussy who won't change a thing.

**** you, Clark.

ChiefsCountry · 10-06-2009, 12:23 AM

I'll admit I do have a bias toward Lamar and Steadman. My family knew both of them personally and did lots of business with both of them in the late 70's and 80's. Actually they went two or three times a year to the Gold Suite back then. Lamar had a damn loyalty thing that was his major down fall and it bite him in the ass when it came to the football team. It worked good in his other business ventures sans the silver market.

**DaneMcCloud** · 10-06-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Enjoy the past biting you in the ass:

Yeah, you're right.

Instead of 1-3 we're 0-4.

That's change I can believe in!

Mecca · 10-06-2009, 12:23 AM

Everything looks about the same to me...

Hammock Parties · 10-06-2009, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, you're right.

Instead of 1-3 we're 0-4.

That's change I can believe in!

Oops, Dane, oops.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If Clark Hunt weren't the owner, I'd expect Herm and the coaching staff to be fired once the GM is in place. But it would not shock me to see Herm as the coach in 2009 for the reasons I stated, along with Clark's support of Herm.

Would I be happy to see Edwards replaced with a more competent X's and O's gameday coach? Absolutely.

Make no mistake about that.

Hammock Parties · 10-06-2009, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

If Clark was a real owner that gived a shit, he would clean house.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, he's not and never will be.

Get over it.

Oops!

10-05-2009, 10:30 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-3047187	Teicher: Charles presents a dilemma for Chiefs Charles presents a dilemma for Chiefs By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star The dilemma with running back Jamaal Charles gets to the heart of the problem Todd Haley has in getting the 0-4 Chiefs a victory — and, longer term, building them into a playoff contender. On one hand, Charles, who returns kickoffs and plays as the third-down back, is one of the Chiefs’ most talented players. He is one of the few Chiefs capable of making big plays and one of the fastest players on an otherwise slow team. On the other hand, Charles has been an unreliable player whose fumble on the opening kickoff Sunday put the Chiefs in an immediate hole against the undefeated New York Giants. He delivered some big plays as a rookie last year, but a precious few this season. The Chiefs figure to need Charles and his potential Sunday when they play the Dallas Cowboys at Arrowhead Stadium. But, perhaps mindful of the damage Charles is also capable of inflicting on his own team, Haley wouldn’t commit to having Charles active. “We’ll have to see where we’re at personnelwise,” Haley said. “We’ll talk about that as the week progresses. “Jamaal was very remorseful about (the fumble). He told his teammates that. We’ve just got to move forward.” As Haley and general manager Scott Pioli continue what now seems like an eternal Chiefs rebuilding program, they have precious few younger offensive players who can help with the process. Dwayne Bowe, perhaps. Matt Cassel and Branden Albert, they hope. Charles could figure into their plans — if not as a regular, then as a spot player capable of causing matchup problems for the opposing defense because of his speed. Haley appears to like Charles as a player, which certainly helps his cause. Haley certainly doesn’t want to give up on Charles too quickly and then watch him become a productive player for an opposing team. But Charles’ time to prove his worth to the Chiefs could be running out. Kolby Smith is close to finishing his rehabilitation from last year’s knee surgery and is eligible to be activated from the injured list later this month. He could take Charles’ place as Larry Johnson’s primary backup. In the interim, Dantrell Savage, a less talented but more reliable player than Charles, is the option. For his part, Charles indicated he is ready for whatever punishment Haley dishes out for the fumble against New York. “Whatever they do to me, they do to me,” he said. “I’ll still go out there and give it my all. It was my fault (Sunday) fumbling the ball like that. I put the defense in a bad situation. We’re (not) that good to be turning the ball over. I’ll take responsibility for that. If I had held on to that ball, it would have been a lot different. “I’m trying to get things going, and I wasn’t thinking about the ball. It wasn’t a big hit. The ball just came out.” Since coming to the Chiefs, Haley has emphasized that he wants players he can count on every down, and not necessarily talented players whose performance goes up and down. He’s been willing to bend that policy in the case of Charles. “He doesn’t have to say anything about that,” Charles said. “Every coach wants consistent players. “I agree with him. If I didn’t practice that good or play that good, don’t put me in that week. If you think Savage practices better than me, play Sav. I don’t have anything against Sav. He’s a good player.” Charles showed a glimpse of his big-play ability on his 53-yard kickoff return against New York in the fourth quarter. He might have taken it all the way if teammate Terrance Copper had made a better block. The fumble against New York was only the latest in a series of drops for Charles. The Chiefs aren’t strong enough to overcome mistakes like that. “We’ve talked about margin of error around here,” Haley said. “We can’t do that against a good football team. Generally, it will get you beat. “Jamaal starting the game that way is a morale-hurter. It hurts like a dagger in your abdomen. It was not in any way the way we wanted to start the game. It wasn’t a big hit or a great play by a defensive player. I feel like we kind of served it up for them. We can’t do it. “We just have to work on the technique. We have the gantlet (machine) we run through twice a week, and we talk about protecting the football and how you’ve got to do it. We’ve just got to work harder at it.”
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ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1641248	I'll admit I do have a bias toward Lamar and Steadman. My family knew both of them personally and did lots of business with both of them in the late 70's and 80's. Actually they went two or three times a year to the Gold Suite back then. Lamar had a damn loyalty thing that was his major down fall and it bite him in the ass when it came to the football team. It worked good in his other business ventures sans the silver market.
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