Chiefs Thank goodness Allen is gone. - Page 4

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 06:48 AM

If Allen were not traded, the Chiefs don't go 2-14 last year. The Chiefs don't set the record for fewest sacks in a year. The Chiefs don't have massive changes.

CP probably would have stuck it out at least another year. If not, the Chiefs would have probably gone with Kuharich, whom most believed was being groomed to be CP's replacement.

With CP or Kuharich, and a decent season, Herm Edwards would be strolling up and down the sidelines right now.

The reality is that it took a total shit season to cause the massive changes with the Chiefs.

And, with Jared Allen.... the Chiefs would have not had a massively shit season.

Heck, with Kuharich, Herm and Allen, the Chiefs would in fact be better than they are right now. I truly believe that. But, they would still be mediocre.

This is painful. This is the worst I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan....even worse than the 80's.

But, as bad as it is, I would rather build something with Pioli that I think can be great someday, than continue to be a 'decent' team over the next 20 years and struggle to win a playoff game.

So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs) Allen is a great player. But, the loss of Allen gave us more than just a few picks. It gave us a new GM. It gave us a new head coach. It gave us a new foundation. It gave us a new direction.

So, good riddance Jared Allen.

Brock · 10-06-2009, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

Um, didn't Jared Allen almost get as many sacks in ONE GAME as we did in ONE SEASON last year? He's a playmaker, fellas. In this league where pass rush is the king of defense, you're going to have a hard time convincing me that it was ultimately good that he's gone.

Unfortunately, circumstances essentially forced the Chiefs' hand. That and Carl Peterson. Unless Clark could have stepped in and worked it out, JA wasn't signing an extension here. There was no trust in the relationship. JA thought that Peterson was a liar, and Peterson was convinced that JA was one bender away from a long suspension.

Chiefs fans are so goddamn twisted that I've actually heard on this board that Hali is better than Jared Allen. They have to do these mental gymnastics to keep from slashing their wrists.

**DeezNutz** · 10-06-2009, 09:03 AM

Ironically, Herm probably would have drafted a QB in round 1, which would have been, overall, much better for the long-term success of the franchise.

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

So if the Chiefs had won 4 or 5 games last year, he wouldn't have been fired. Riiight.

They hadn't won a playoff game in 15 years. I absolutely believe he wouldn't have been fired. He wasn't fired after the Gunther debacle. He wasn't fired after he SAID that Vermeil was the only coach he ever wanted and if he couldn't make it work with Vermeil, he would gladly step down.

Call me jaded, but 20 years of Chiefs history does quite a bit to bolster my argument.

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Lamar Hunt was still alive.

And Clark was actively directing the team.

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown

bingo.

Once Lamar died, it was just a matter of timing as to when CP would be shown the door.

And you have what evidence to support that?

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Chiefs fans are so goddamn twisted that I've actually heard on this board that Hali is better than Jared Allen. They have to do these mental gymnastics to keep from slashing their wrists.

Yeah, better at OLB. Guess what? Dantrell Savage is better at running back, but it doesn't mean that I think he is a better player.

Fish · 10-06-2009, 09:04 AM

And who says Allen would have stayed even if they gave him what he wanted?

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

We really don't know much yet about who Clark is outside of his father's shadow.

I agree.

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But he has done one thing that leads me to believe he'll be a good owner. When we needed a new GM, he went out and got the guy everyone thought couldn't be had.

I agree with this too.

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That move left me with the impression that he has the chops to run this team, which in turn makes me think that Peterson's era was going to end regardless of 2 wins or 8.

I just can't agree with this. I've been burned by this team far too many times to believe it.

SenselessChiefsFan · 10-06-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Ironically, Herm probably would have drafted a QB in round 1, which would have been, overall, much better for the long-term success of the franchise.

I have thought about that. He probably would have drafted Sanchez.

Brock · 10-06-2009, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Yeah, better at OLB. Guess what? Dantrell Savage is better at running back, but it doesn't mean that I think he is a better player.

Hali isn't better at anything. He sucks, period.

jspchief · 10-06-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

And Clark was actively directing the team.

And whether or not he felt pressure from his behind the scenes, larger than life, handed me the keys to the kingdom father? Could Clark have been reluctant to fire a man that his father was probably very close to?

We'll never know. But it's conceivable.

KCUnited · 10-06-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I have thought about that. He probably would have drafted Sanchez.

I could've swore I heard Herm say he would've taken Curry, but I don't have a link to that.

**DeezNutz** · 10-06-2009, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited

I could've swore I heard Herm say he would've taken Curry, but I don't have a link to that.

Herm is the type of weasel who was always looking for an excuse, and there's no greater one than a n00b signal caller.

Herm would look at that as the secret to keeping his job.

Doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons...

htismaqe · 10-06-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

And whether or not he felt pressure from his behind the scenes, larger than life, handed me the keys to the kingdom father? Could Clark have been reluctant to fire a man that his father was probably very close to?

We'll never know. But it's conceivable.

Certainly it's conceivable.

I already explained where I'm coming from - I'm EXTREMELY bitter about the Carl Peterson era. I readily admit that.

KCUnited · 10-06-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Herm is the type of weasel who was always looking for an excuse, and there's no greater one than a n00b signal caller.

Herm would look at that as the secret to keeping his job.

Doing the right thing for all the wrong reasons...

Oh, I agree. Maybe I heard him say what he thought the Chiefs would do with the #3.

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SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Thank goodness Allen is gone. If Allen were not traded, the Chiefs don't go 2-14 last year. The Chiefs don't set the record for fewest sacks in a year. The Chiefs don't have massive changes. CP probably would have stuck it out at least another year. If not, the Chiefs would have probably gone with Kuharich, whom most believed was being groomed to be CP's replacement. With CP or Kuharich, and a decent season, Herm Edwards would be strolling up and down the sidelines right now. The reality is that it took a total shit season to cause the massive changes with the Chiefs. And, with Jared Allen.... the Chiefs would have not had a massively shit season. Heck, with Kuharich, Herm and Allen, the Chiefs would in fact be better than they are right now. I truly believe that. But, they would still be mediocre. This is painful. This is the worst I have ever seen as a Chiefs fan....even worse than the 80's. But, as bad as it is, I would rather build something with Pioli that I think can be great someday, than continue to be a 'decent' team over the next 20 years and struggle to win a playoff game. So, yeah, Allen had a great game last night. (don't forget the line he faced was worse, much worse, than the Chiefs) Allen is a great player. But, the loss of Allen gave us more than just a few picks. It gave us a new GM. It gave us a new head coach. It gave us a new foundation. It gave us a new direction. So, good riddance Jared Allen.
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