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Old 11-01-2009, 01:13 PM   #1
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JFC.

Outside of the ****ING KICKER, the Chiefs needs weren't addressed. There was NO NEED to draft TWO MORE 5-tech defensive lineman. There was NO REASON to draft Donald Washington. Brown is on IR and was moved from tackle to guard in TC. Lawrence and Williams are on IR and O'Connell just flat out sucks ass.

In a draft year loaded with offensive talent, Pioli mined absolutely NONE of it. Instead, he drafted a few non-impact players with his first two picks and wasted his 4th and 5th rounders.

In addition to that, free-agency was a ****ing joke. Goof? Zach Thomas? Bobby Engram? Ha!

FAIL.
I havent said a peep about any pick after Tyson because it hurts to think how bad they all were anymore.

We would have had a better draft if we just combined picks to move up and take a couple starting caliber olinemen and nothing else after Tyson except succop

100% agree there

but since draft day, every 3-4 defenses HC has said they had Tyson pegged except GB and I bet they did too. just sayin

honest question cause Im curious: who was your preference?
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:27 PM   #2
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I havent said a peep about any pick after Tyson because it hurts to think how bad they all were anymore.

We would have had a better draft if we just combined picks to move up and take a couple starting caliber olinemen and nothing else after Tyson except succop

100% agree there

but since draft day, every 3-4 defenses HC has said they had Tyson pegged except GB and I bet they did too. just sayin

honest question cause Im curious: who was your preference?
Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:30 PM   #3
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Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.
Why do you think he selected Ty Jack? This draft is pretty much how everyone thought it was gonna be. The top 10 players were pretty weak compared to other years.

Do you think he reached with Jackson? Or is he thinking long term benefits?
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:40 PM   #4
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Why do you think he selected Ty Jack? This draft is pretty much how everyone thought it was gonna be. The top 10 players were pretty weak compared to other years.

Do you think he reached with Jackson? Or is he thinking long term benefits?
Tyson Jackson was in NO ONE'S Top Ten. And I disagree - I don't think it was weak at all. Sanchez is playing well, Stafford's played well when healthy, Curry's not Jesus but he's been good, Crabtree has had an immediate impact and so on.

IMO, there is NO long term benefit to drafting a 5-tech DE with the number three overall pick, especially when your team lacks a game-changing playmaker on both sides of the ball. There wasn't a game-changer available on defense but they were certainly available on offense.

And as much as I was "against" an offensive lineman at #3, Michael Oher's presence on this line would make the offense a completely different animal.

Pioli, IMO, blew the whole draft. So, big ****ing deal. He got a kicker with the last pick of the entire draft. Yay!

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Old 11-01-2009, 01:43 PM   #5
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Tyson Jackson was in NO ONE'S Top Ten. And I disagree - I don't think it was weak at all. Sanchez is playing well, Stafford's played well when healthy, Curry's not Jesus but he's been good, Crabtree has had an immediate impact and so on.

IMO, there is NO long term benefit to drafting a 5-tech DE with the number three overall pick, especially when your team lacks a game-changing playmaker on both sides of the ball. There wasn't a game-changer available on defense but they were certainly available on offense.

And as much as I was "against" an offensive lineman at #3, Michael Oher's presence on this line would make the offense a completely different animal.

Pioli, IMO, blew the whole draft. So, big ****ing deal. He got a kicker with the last pick of the entire draft. Yay!

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Tyson Jackson was in NO ONE'S Top Ten.
your right, he was evidently in EVERYONES (the only team I havent seen say they wanted him was GB that runs a 3-4)
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your right, he was evidently in EVERYONES (the only team I havent seen say they wanted him was GB that runs a 3-4)
You're full of shit.

Tyson Jackson was a mid to late first round projection until as OTWP58 noted earlier, Rick Gosselin put him in the 10-12 range.

And who do YOU know in the Green Bay organization that told you they wanted Jackson over Raji?
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You're full of shit.

Tyson Jackson was a mid to late first round projection until as OTWP58 noted earlier, Rick Gosselin put him in the 10-12 range.

And who do YOU know in the Green Bay organization that told you they wanted Jackson over Raji?
I said GB is the only team that I HAVENT heard as interested in taking him with their first.

Singletary said he had him pegged on may 6 on NFLN

I dont have a date for Cleveland, but they did shortly after MS did.
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Why do you think he selected Ty Jack? This draft is pretty much how everyone thought it was gonna be. The top 10 players were pretty weak compared to other years.

Do you think he reached with Jackson? Or is he thinking long term benefits?
So you trade down.

And I really don't care what the value chart says. You're off by 18 pts but you save 18 million over the next 4 years and still get your guy you trade down.

Perhaps you get a high 3rd instead of a mid 2nd, fine. Take the extra pick, get your guy, pay less with a rebuilding team.

In today's NFL I wouldn't ever draft in the top 5...
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So you trade down.

And I really don't care what the value chart says. You're off by 18 pts but you save 18 million over the next 4 years and still get your guy you trade down.

Perhaps you get a high 3rd instead of a mid 2nd, fine. Take the extra pick, get your guy, pay less with a rebuilding team.

In today's NFL I wouldn't ever draft in the top 5...
I'd certainly take a QB with a top 5 pick. Outside of Brady and Johnson, only first rounders have won the Super Bowl this decade. And last decade, you had Aikman, Young & Elway, all first rounders combine for 6 Super Bowl wins and Favre, who was traded for a 1st round pick and originally taken with a high second, win another. But I digress...

Pioli shocked me in the 2009 draft by NOT trading back as many times as possible to stockpile talent, especially offensive line talent.

That was my first clue that he didn't have a clue...
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I'd certainly take a QB with a top 5 pick. Outside of Brady and Johnson, only first rounders have won the Super Bowl this decade. And last decade, you had Aikman, Young & Elway, all first rounders combine for 6 Super Bowl wins and Favre, who was traded for a 1st round pick and originally taken with a high second, win another. But I digress...

Pioli shocked me in the 2009 draft by NOT trading back as many times as possible to stockpile talent, especially offensive line talent.

That was my first clue that he didn't have a clue...
this is assuming we had a trade partner....
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this is assuming we had a trade partner....
The last 3 years have been really light on talent in the top 10.

You just aren't going to get 2000-2005 value trading down. The talent isn't there...
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I'd certainly take a QB with a top 5 pick. Outside of Brady and Johnson, only first rounders have won the Super Bowl this decade. And last decade, you had Aikman, Young & Elway, all first rounders combine for 6 Super Bowl wins and Favre, who was traded for a 1st round pick and originally taken with a high second, win another. But I digress...
I agree that it's time KC takes a shot on QB. Right now I wish Herm would have bit on Ryan.

Herm would still be gone, our D line would still suck, but last draft we would have at least an extra 2nd in an O line heavy draft...

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That was my first clue that he didn't have a clue...
I still don't get trading to get your guy at QB and not doing everything you can to build him a line. If we would have gone with Brokie/Thigpen I could understand the half assed attitude...
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I still don't get trading to get your guy at QB and not doing everything you can to build him a line. If we would have gone with Brokie/Thigpen I could understand the half assed attitude...
Yep, it makes absolutely NO sense.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

And this new O-line coach sucks ass. Everyone on the O-line has regressed this year.
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Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.
I'm fine with going defense but you don't spend a top 10 pick and top 10 money on a 3-4 DE.

Just stupid...
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