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kcbubb · 12:09 AM

I never wanted Pioli or Haley and I would love to see Cowher in KC. Is it possible?

salame · 11-01-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tyson Jackson was in NO ONE'S Top Ten. And I disagree - I don't think it was weak at all. Sanchez is playing well, Stafford's played well when healthy, Curry's not Jesus but he's been good, Crabtree has had an immediate impact and so on.

IMO, there is NO long term benefit to drafting a 5-tech DE with the number three overall pick, especially when your team lacks a game-changing playmaker on both sides of the ball. There wasn't a game-changer available on defense but they were certainly available on offense.

And as much as I was "against" an offensive lineman at #3, Michael Oher's presence on this line would make the offense a completely different animal.

Pioli, IMO, blew the whole draft. So, big ****ing deal. He got a kicker with the last pick of the entire draft. Yay!

qft

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Why do you think he selected Ty Jack? This draft is pretty much how everyone thought it was gonna be. The top 10 players were pretty weak compared to other years.

Do you think he reached with Jackson? Or is he thinking long term benefits?

So you trade down.

And I really don't care what the value chart says. You're off by 18 pts but you save 18 million over the next 4 years and still get your guy you trade down.

Perhaps you get a high 3rd instead of a mid 2nd, fine. Take the extra pick, get your guy, pay less with a rebuilding team.

In today's NFL I wouldn't ever draft in the top 5...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

So you trade down.

And I really don't care what the value chart says. You're off by 18 pts but you save 18 million over the next 4 years and still get your guy you trade down.

Perhaps you get a high 3rd instead of a mid 2nd, fine. Take the extra pick, get your guy, pay less with a rebuilding team.

In today's NFL I wouldn't ever draft in the top 5...

I'd certainly take a QB with a top 5 pick. Outside of Brady and Johnson, only first rounders have won the Super Bowl this decade. And last decade, you had Aikman, Young & Elway, all first rounders combine for 6 Super Bowl wins and Favre, who was traded for a 1st round pick and originally taken with a high second, win another. But I digress...

Pioli shocked me in the 2009 draft by NOT trading back as many times as possible to stockpile talent, especially offensive line talent.

That was my first clue that he didn't have a clue...

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Sanchez. After Pioli traded for Cassel, that wasn't going to happen.

I've said this time and time again: The Chiefs are in dire need of playmakers. How does Knowshon Moreno, Michael Crabtree, Percy Harvin, Jeremy Maclin or even Michael Oher sound right now? They could have signed a 3-4 end in free agency like Ohlshansky or Canty and their defense would be exactly as it is now.

But the offense would have a much needed playmaker.

its easy to say "we could have just signed Olshansky or Canty" but in reality players like that only come to KC when they are overpaid, then you have the problem arising when our own players are negotiating for new deals with the premise that they can get more than market value because Xplayer did. That wont happen.

I could have seen a pickup like Vonnie Holliday...

I hate to use the old adage, but you have to build the foundation before you put the roof on the house. I agree we need playmakers on both side of the ball, but dlinemen take time to develop, more than most other positions, so if we are to have a foundation suitable for a playoff run in two years, now wasnt a horrible time to draft a guy like Tyson...the added value to us for the pick is the effect he has obviously had on Dorsey...the kid has lit up with Tyson there.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd certainly take a QB with a top 5 pick. Outside of Brady and Johnson, only first rounders have won the Super Bowl this decade. And last decade, you had Aikman, Young & Elway, all first rounders combine for 6 Super Bowl wins and Favre, who was traded for a 1st round pick and originally taken with a high second, win another. But I digress...

Pioli shocked me in the 2009 draft by NOT trading back as many times as possible to stockpile talent, especially offensive line talent.

That was my first clue that he didn't have a clue...

this is assuming we had a trade partner....

salame · 11-01-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

its easy to say "we could have just signed Olshansky or Canty" but in reality players like that only come to KC when they are overpaid, then you have the problem arising when our own players are negotiating for new deals with the premise that they can get more than market value because Xplayer did. That wont happen.

I could have seen a pickup like Vonnie Holliday...

I hate to use the old adage, but you have to build the foundation before you put the roof on the house. I agree we need playmakers on both side of the ball, but dlinemen take time to develop, more than most other positions, so if we are to have a foundation suitable for a playoff run in two years, now wasnt a horrible time to draft a guy like Tyson...the added value to us for the pick is the effect he has obviously had on Dorsey...the kid has lit up with Tyson there.

so dorsey is playing because because of tyson jackson?

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd certainly take a QB with a top 5 pick. Outside of Brady and Johnson, only first rounders have won the Super Bowl this decade. And last decade, you had Aikman, Young & Elway, all first rounders combine for 6 Super Bowl wins and Favre, who was traded for a 1st round pick and originally taken with a high second, win another. But I digress...

I agree that it's time KC takes a shot on QB. Right now I wish Herm would have bit on Ryan.

Herm would still be gone, our D line would still suck, but last draft we would have at least an extra 2nd in an O line heavy draft...

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Pioli shocked me in the 2009 draft by NOT trading back as many times as possible to stockpile talent, especially offensive line talent.

That was my first clue that he didn't have a clue...

I still don't get trading to get your guy at QB and not doing everything you can to build him a line. If we would have gone with Brokie/Thigpen I could understand the half assed attitude...

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

its easy to say "we could have just signed Olshansky or Canty" but in reality players like that only come to KC when they are overpaid, then you have the problem arising when our own players are negotiating for new deals with the premise that they can get more than market value because Xplayer did. That wont happen.

What?? You don't know what the **** you're talking about. Ohlshansky signed for a mere $4 million a year. The problem is that the CHIEFS didn't "entertain" the idea.

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I hate to use the old adage, but you have to build the foundation before you put the roof on the house. I agree we need playmakers on both side of the ball, but dlinemen take time to develop, more than most other positions, so if we are to have a foundation suitable for a playoff run in two years, now wasnt a horrible time to draft a guy like Tyson...the added value to us for the pick is the effect he has obviously had on Dorsey...the kid has lit up with Tyson there.

Again, you don't what you're talking about. The Chiefs defense SUCKS ASS. They're worse than last year in nearly EVERY statistical category and it's not going to get any better.

And while Dorsey has shown flashes, Magee has sucked, Washington's worthless and Jackson hasn't been anything special at all.

Ignoring playmakers for a "foundation" will NOT win a championship.

JFC.

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Tyson Jackson was in NO ONE'S Top Ten.

your right, he was evidently in EVERYONES (the only team I havent seen say they wanted him was GB that runs a 3-4)

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I still don't get trading to get your guy at QB and not doing everything you can to build him a line. If we would have gone with Brokie/Thigpen I could understand the half assed attitude...

Yep, it makes absolutely NO sense.

None. Zero. Zip. Nada.

And this new O-line coach sucks ass. Everyone on the O-line has regressed this year.

**Rausch** · 11-01-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

this is assuming we had a trade partner....

The last 3 years have been really light on talent in the top 10.

You just aren't going to get 2000-2005 value trading down. The talent isn't there...

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by salame

so dorsey is playing because because of tyson jackson?

I bet he has factored into the intensity Dorsey has played with so far this year.

Remember Dorsey last year?

I thought it was a joke when they said he would be played at 3-4 de, he has plyed very well and is a big reason Hali is able to make plays.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-01-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

your right, he was evidently in EVERYONES (the only team I havent seen say they wanted him was GB that runs a 3-4)

You're full of shit.

Tyson Jackson was a mid to late first round projection until as OTWP58 noted earlier, Rick Gosselin put him in the 10-12 range.

And who do YOU know in the Green Bay organization that told you they wanted Jackson over Raji?

**BossChief** · 11-01-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

The last 3 years have been really light on talent in the top 10.

You just aren't going to get 2000-2005 value trading down. The talent isn't there...

nobody wants to pay that kinda coin for a rookie

salame · 11-01-2009, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I bet he has factored into the intensity Dorsey has played with so far this year.

Remember Dorsey last year?

I thought it was a joke when they said he would be played at 3-4 de, he has plyed very well and is a big reason Hali is able to make plays.

So more of Tyson Jackson and less of Haley or the new scheme?

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